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TheNewGuy03
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Message 76 of 108 (112421)
06-02-2004 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Lammy
06-01-2004 10:54 PM


Re: Giving up
OK. You can believe what you wish; you are entitled to your own opinion. However, this is solid, tangible evidence, and if I had all the money I needed, I would fly to each of these locations to verify these findings. I, too, have speculations. I don't know if Ron Wyatt is a true scientist, but all we have is his records. He's dead now. And so are Charles Darwin and many other prominent scientists. So that, and history, are the only sources we have.
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JonF
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Message 77 of 108 (112469)
06-02-2004 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by TheNewGuy03
06-01-2004 9:42 PM


Re: Giving up
What makes you say that?

I though I was pretty clear. Been there, seen that, not buying it. Been discussed to deatrh, here and elsewhere. Ron Wyatt was a crackpot. He didn't find anything of significance. The second site is just a compendium of distorted and outright false claims.

Do you think you've actually introduced something new into the forum? Believe me, you haven't.


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Message 78 of 108 (112740)
06-04-2004 9:06 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by Loudmouth
06-01-2004 8:40 PM


Re: More irony.
sorry to be off topic...did you ever get the email I sent you?
Cheers,
M
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TheNewGuy03
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Message 79 of 108 (112783)
06-04-2004 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by JonF
06-02-2004 5:43 PM


Re: Giving up
What may be of little significance to you may be of great significance to someone else. You realize that many Creationists and Evolutionists are in the same boat, no? Most creationists will believe what's given to them without analyzing its details, and evolutionists do likewise. Neither wants to hear the other out, and are not willing to verify what's given to them. You can say that Ron Wyatt is a crackpot, but you won't KNOW that he's a crackpot until you've gone to one (or all) of his supposed findings and find nothing.

You're looking from the outside in, my friend.

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Loudmouth
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Message 80 of 108 (112789)
06-04-2004 1:38 PM
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06-04-2004 1:15 PM


Re: Giving up
quote:
Most creationists will believe what's given to them without analyzing its details, and evolutionists do likewise.

Are you familiar with a term in psychology called "projection"? Check it out. Evolutionists are evolutionists because they have analyzed the details. In fact, many ex-creationists admit that they gave up on special creation and a young earth because they started analyzing the data. This is why most creationists are afraid to stringently test their theories given the track record of their previous efforts (see helium in the atmosphere).

quote:
You can say that Ron Wyatt is a crackpot, but you won't KNOW that he's a crackpot until you've gone to one (or all) of his supposed findings and find nothing.

If I told you I had seen space aliens, UFO's, unicorns, leprechauns, fairies, trolls, ogres, hobbits, etc. would you believe me? Or would you call be a crackpot? What if I had nothing to prove what I saw, would you still take it on face value? You believe Ron Wyatt because you WANT to believe that he saw those things. Just like when we were all kids, Santa Claus had to be real otherwise the presents wouldn't show up.


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TheNewGuy03
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Message 81 of 108 (112800)
06-04-2004 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by Loudmouth
06-04-2004 1:38 PM


Re: Giving up
Again, you place words in my mouth.

Ron Wyatt did not claim to find UFOs, unicorns, leprechauns, fairies, trolls, ogres, or hobbits. You don't believe him. Neither do I. But I believe in him. I believe that what he has found could be true. You don't.

Ron Wyatt isn't attempting to prove some crap someone made up. He's simply investigating something that people have been believing for over 3000 years. Wouldn't you do the same?

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Loudmouth
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Message 82 of 108 (112818)
06-04-2004 3:37 PM
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06-04-2004 2:13 PM


Re: Giving up
quote:
Ron Wyatt isn't attempting to prove some crap someone made up. He's simply investigating something that people have been believing for over 3000 years. Wouldn't you do the same?

Belief in fairies, trolls, and ogres goes back thousands of years as well. Native Americans have oral traditions that may predate the penning of the Old Testament, but I don't see anyone looking for the bears that created mountain ranges. If I were to investigate the mythology of any religion, it would not be an investigation to discover the actual artifacts of the mythology, but rather the roots of the stories and how they relate to neighboring civilizations.

On another note, I believe the Ark of the Covenant was a real artifact. I am not totally against you here. However, Noah's Ark is obvious fiction, and it could be argued that it was considered fictional mythology to the authors of the Old Testament as well. For me, events that take place well before the exodus of the Jews from Egypt can probably be considered mythology. Also, the earth opening up and revealing the Ark of the Covenant at the site of Jesus' crucifixion seems a little far fetched to me. Added to this is Wyatt's own retraction of some of the other stories that he told. I think that his followers are prone to wishful thinking and may hinge to much of their faith on tangible, physical evidence.

That being said, we are drifiting off topic and anymore discussion should probably be moved to the appropriate thread. Feel free to respond to this message, but I will probably not respond in kind within this thread. I will check in on the "The Great Fabricator: Ron Wyatt" thread if you want to continue this discussion.

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JonF
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Message 83 of 108 (112855)
06-04-2004 8:54 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by TheNewGuy03
06-04-2004 1:15 PM


Re: Giving up
You can say that Ron Wyatt is a crackpot, but you won't KNOW that he's a crackpot until you've gone to one (or all) of his supposed findings and find not

Probably true. However, I can be sure far beyond any reasonable doubt the he was1 a crackpot from the evidence I've seen already. I feel no need to investigate further to get rid of that last 0.000000000000000000000001% possibility that he wasn't a crackpot..

1Ron Wyatt died in 199, so you shouldn't refer to his investigations in the present tense.


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TheNewGuy03
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Message 84 of 108 (113089)
06-06-2004 8:28 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by JonF
06-04-2004 8:54 PM


Re: Giving up
You're right.

However, I don't see how you can derive a conclusion on someone's intellect using mathematical proportions.


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jar
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Message 85 of 108 (113090)
06-06-2004 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by TheNewGuy03
06-06-2004 8:28 PM


Re: Giving up
I don't think anyone is challenging his intellect, only his honesty.


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TheNewGuy03
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Message 86 of 108 (113093)
06-06-2004 8:42 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by jar
06-06-2004 8:30 PM


Re: Giving up
His findings are still classified as archaeological findings, whether people believe him or not. His opinions can be doubted, however.
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jar
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Message 87 of 108 (113094)
06-06-2004 8:45 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by TheNewGuy03
06-06-2004 8:42 PM


Re: Giving up
Well, you bring up a good point. Can you pick one of his findings that might be considered "as archaeological findings" that we might discuss?

Edited to add:

This is getting way off topic as Ron Wyatt as nothing really to do with macro-evolution.

Can we continue this in Message 1?

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JonF
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Message 88 of 108 (113095)
06-06-2004 8:46 PM
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06-06-2004 8:42 PM


Re: Giving up
His findings are still classified as archaeological findings

By whom? By anybody or any organization with expertise in archaeology?

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TheNewGuy03
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Message 89 of 108 (113096)
06-06-2004 8:54 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by JonF
06-06-2004 8:46 PM


Re: Giving up
You guys are right.

I just looked at a Christian site (how ironic!!) that declares Ron Wyatt's findings to be a hoax. Ron Wyatt is truly a creative guy...

Tentmaker

*edited for content

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jar
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Message 90 of 108 (113099)
06-06-2004 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by TheNewGuy03
06-06-2004 8:54 PM


Re: Giving up
Now do some research on Kent Hovind and you will begin to see just what people are accepting as Authority.


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