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Woodsy
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Message 142 of 304 (390567)
03-21-2007 6:45 AM
Reply to: Message 140 by sidelined
03-21-2007 12:37 AM


Re: Evolution -- God's Design
The roots of it have been traced to Thomas Aquinas who framed it thus
"Wherever complex design exists, there must have been a designer; nature is complex; therefore nature must have had an intelligent designer"
Aquinas' statement is clearly foolish; his first premise is unsupported. He was merely trying to justify his superstitions. As one would expect, much has been learned in the long period since he wrote.
Consider evolution as a counter-example. It is easy to see how the evolutionary algorithm would produce increasing complexity, since changes accumulate with time, and it does so without any intelligence being involved at all. Indeed, it is hard to see how that could be prevented from happening.
I wish we could free ourselves from the errors of these ancient so-called authorities. They muck up our thinking, especially among the gullible.

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Woodsy
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Message 257 of 304 (391573)
03-26-2007 7:30 AM
Reply to: Message 256 by GDR
03-25-2007 5:56 PM


Re: Evolution -- God's Design
I see nothing but traces of an IDer in this world. The thing is once again it goes back to our starting point. Is the physical all there is or not?
If the non-physical is to be accepted, surely there must be some kind of solid evidence for it. Otherwise, why should one not regard ideas about non-physical things as intellectual aberrations arising from tolerably obvious historical processes?

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Woodsy
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Message 265 of 304 (391637)
03-26-2007 3:52 PM
Reply to: Message 264 by GDR
03-26-2007 3:23 PM


Re: Evolution -- God's Design
It seems to me though that the Atheistic view of things is no better than the YEC crowd. Young Earth Creationism rejects science and Atheism rejects philosophy and theology.
Perhaps,it is just an unwillingness to believe things without good reason for doing so, and a willingness to admit it when something is not yet understood.
If that amounts to rejecting theology, I'm inclined to agree with you. Philosophy comes in many different flavours, some of which are more useful than others. To which were you referring?

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