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Author Topic:   Who designed the ID designer(s)?
bob_gray
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Message 11 of 396 (137995)
08-30-2004 12:41 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by ID man
08-29-2004 11:27 PM


Re: the only problem is the anti-IDists
ID man,
Thanks for your insights into the inner workings of ID. While I wish I had time to read the books you have presented, unfortunately I do not at this time so I was hoping you might be able to indulge me for a moment and clarify one point.
ID man writes:
quote:
(2) Nobody\nothing designed the ID designer(s), it\they have always existed from the beginning of time. In which case they are god(s), being necessarily supernatural to have lived an immortal existence that must also have been non-material before particles coalesced from the cloud of plasma energy at the beginning of time. Belief in them is belief in god(s) and thus a form of faith
OK wait. Why do you get to decide that is a form of faith? What if your alternative(s) are incorrect? ie just more strawmen? Is acknowledgement also a form of faith?
In this quote you are questioning what is faith. This is an excellent point. The definition one has of faith will clearly define what they feel falls into that category. My question to you is how would you define "faith" as it relates to religious maters? And as a follow up does ID say anything about it?
For example: I would say that for me if you are going to believe in a being who exists outside the system (known/observable universe) then this must be a form of faith. Deism would be classified as form of faith under my view and so would proposition (2).

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bob_gray
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Message 16 of 396 (138121)
08-30-2004 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by ID man
08-30-2004 11:23 AM


Re: RAZD you don't have an argument
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OK. Your first statement is false. Deism is not a religion.
OK. Hold on just one minute. How can a belief in god not be a religion? What definition of religion are you using?

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bob_gray
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Message 31 of 396 (138193)
08-30-2004 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by RAZD
08-30-2004 2:47 PM


Re: lets get back to the topic
I must have gotten confused with the other thread where one of your arguments was that since ID is a subset of Deism it must also be a faith/religion. That argument wasn't in the OT for this thread.
Back on topic.

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