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AZPaul3
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Message 13 of 36 (628482)
08-09-2011 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by John Jones
08-09-2011 6:19 PM


Good god man! John, you have been given these instructions many times now. Pay attention.
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AZPaul3
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Message 19 of 36 (629745)
08-19-2011 5:28 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Straggler
08-19-2011 2:15 PM


Re: How Rational Are You?
OK. I'll play.
Would you live in a house that was once the dwelling of a serial killer?
No problem. Depends on floor plan, construction , price , location, the usual.
When playing the lottery do you select numbers that have personal significance to you rather than just go with randomly generated numbers?
Whenever I play the lottery (once a decade or so) I always go Quick Pick (computer generated). I'm to lazy to fill in all the little slots on the form.
If betting on dice would you want to make your bet and then throw the dice yourself or would you be happy to bet on an unknown but already completed dice throw?
Don't know that it makes a difference. In fact, it doesn't, really. Sure, let's bet.
For a thousand dollars/pounds would you:
1) Try on an item of clothing, such as a cardigan, once owned by (but since washed) the infamous serial killer Fred West?
Sure. No qualms.
2) Lick a close-up photo of some maggots?
I've actually done something similar but wasn't paid for it. No problem.
3) Drink a cup of water taken from a newly installed, never before used and known to be sterile toilet bowl/urinal?
Squeemishly, but yes. You do realize that a thousand pounds in dollars (assuming $1 bills) is $453,514? I'll do just about anything you want, Straggler!
4) Throw darts at a life-size picture of a baby?
I'm an atheist, remember? I eat babies.
Throwing darts at a picture of one in exchang for $453,514 is a no brainer. Bring it on!
5) Gouge out the eyes of a photograph of a loved one?
You got the money, I got the time.
6) Burn a (not special or precious but just everyday paperback) book?
Been there, done that. Was not paid. I look forward to doing business with you.
So are these going to be personal or certified checks?

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AZPaul3
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Message 20 of 36 (629746)
08-19-2011 5:35 PM
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08-19-2011 5:16 PM


If you cannot learn this then I question your ability to participate on this forum at all.
Oh, go easy on him Paul. He is from another planet after all...
No, I wasn't directing any comments to him. I was just ... uhh ... using a random phrase I thunked up to illustrate the use of the feature?
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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AZPaul3
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Message 23 of 36 (629761)
08-19-2011 7:57 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Straggler
08-19-2011 5:58 PM


Re: How Rational Are You?
I hate to burst your bubble but 1000 is (at current exchange rates) about $1,600.
But you said a thousand pounds in dollars. At .002205 lbs per bill that's 453,514 bills. I don't mind taking One's.
You'd live in the house of a serial killer without a second thought but be squeemish about drinking water from a never-used urinal.....?
Isn't the human brain a strange thing?
Is it? (well, yes it is) But in this case there is some logic to it if not a whole lot.
The house is a house is a house. It doesn't affect me because the house is not the killer. What may have happened there is out of time, invisible to me and is of no affect. Nothing immediate, nothing personal.
The urinal drink, however, even clean, even knowing it is no different than a sink faucet, is going into my mouth. That is both immediate and personal. And disgusting.
But, for you, Straggler (and for $453,514) I think I could stomach it once.

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AZPaul3
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Message 25 of 36 (629988)
08-21-2011 7:28 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Straggler
08-21-2011 5:42 PM


Re: How Rational Are You?
Who lives in the place where Jeffery Dahmer lived? It's now a car park.
That I can understand. If they missed a corpse under the floorboards that would be disturbing. And having the cops come out every couple months to dig a hole in the yard would have been too much.
Is the same true in the West case? Did they dispose of their victims on premises? Have I made an error in my purchasing decision?
I'm thinking that, in these kinds of cases, we humans often attach our disgust for a person's crimes to anything and everything about them. Their cars, their homes, their easy chair, their kids, their in-laws, etc. The memory of the crime is linked to the name and the name is linked to these other items.
Is that irrational or overly sensitive? We hear the name Dahmer and we cringe. The irrational part is when we impart blame for the crime onto and then shun these other items, especially the kids, grandkids, in-laws, brothers ... houses.
Why we would do this I do not know. A throw back to the "evil spirit" days? We don't want to get contaminated? It would have been advantageous for a cave man to avoid and shun the evil plants, evil caves, evil animals where death and disease occurred and by extension anything that was made of, associated with or came from the evil things. I could see where this could expand to other things considered evil.
But if the house is clean and the bad guys did their dirty work elsewhere, well, then, this means you can take advantage of the irrational and pick up a maybe nice place for a steal!
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AZPaul3
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Message 27 of 36 (630305)
08-23-2011 8:31 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Straggler
08-23-2011 2:08 PM


Re: How Rational Are You?
Do you have a wedding ring? Would you swap that ring for one that was physically identical?
I cannot form an emotional attachment to a specific set of atoms that form a symbolic item. The symbolic item is the seat of my attachment. If someone swapped my ring for an identical one without my knowledge it would make no difference. If it were truly identical then there would be no way to discern any difference. The emotion remains. So, to me, if I purposely swapped out an identical ring, emotionally, nothing has changed.
Straggler, I'm not so sure I am the right one to answer these types of questions. I don't think we will gain any insights into the OP questions by my answers since I am not the typical emotional creature that could represent the human norm.
I'm abnormal. Not good evidence.

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Message 31 of 36 (630378)
08-24-2011 7:47 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Straggler
08-24-2011 1:55 PM


Re: How Rational Are You?
You have a heart of stone and a spirit of neurons.
Actually my heart is of muscular tissue and my spirit is more along the cabernet line.
What if they later told you what they had done? Would the ring you now have mean any less to you?
As I said, "So, to me, if I purposely swapped out an identical ring, emotionally, nothing has changed." Whether I did it or someone else did it, the emotion is not in the thing but in the symbol.
Truthfully, I would be pissed as all get out, but only because that would mean someone was rifling through all my personal stuff. Throwing pots and pans tantrum time.
Sorry, Straggler. I know it's not normal to not have these kinds of feelings or lack of feelings. In my case seeming uber-rational is indeed illogical and irrational. But, here I am.

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AZPaul3
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Message 34 of 36 (630493)
08-25-2011 7:16 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Straggler
08-25-2011 5:44 PM


Re: How Rational Are You?
You are a god damn robot!!!
No. Really. I was born on this planet to non-mechanical biological beings. I have no special affinity for other electro-mechanical use-ware nor any bio-tritarian-based life forms.
Ha, Ha, you are funny.
Oh, BTW ...
I might as well be asking my toaster if it is happy or my MP3 player if it likes Jazz.
... the answer is yes in both cases.

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