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Author Topic:   The Ultimate Question - Why is there something rather than nothing?
Chuck77
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Message 33 of 366 (624988)
07-21-2011 1:37 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dr Adequate
07-20-2011 1:58 AM


Purpose
Why is there something rather than nothing?
I can't think of anything smart to say or add. The only thing that comes to mind is purpose. Every- t-h-i-n-g has a purpose. With nothing, there's no purpose. With something, there's purpose.
If no-thing is some-thing then what purpose does the no-thing serve? Can no-thing serve a purpose? If it can then there must be some-thing to be purposed.
So, to add my 2 cents, *purpose* is my "answer" to your question, or atleast what comes to mind for now.
If it even makes sense.

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Chuck77
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Message 84 of 366 (625302)
07-22-2011 6:33 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by Straggler
07-21-2011 1:55 AM


Re: Purpose
Straggler writes:
How can you have purpose unless you first have something capable of intent?
Well, purpose and intent are close in definition :
Dictionary.com
intent1
[in-tent]
—noun
1. something that is intended; purpose; design; intention: The original intent of the committee was to raise funds.
From Wiki:
Purpose is a result, end, mean, aim, or goal of an action intentionally undertaken,[1] or of an object being brought into use or existence, whether or not the purpose was a primary or secondary effect. It is possible that an intentional act may have multiple and hierarchisated purposes, only some of which is primary intentions while the remainder are secondary (or tertiary or more) intentions.
First attested in c.1290, from earl Old French porpos "aim, intention", purpose is related to from porposer "to put forth," from Vulgar Latin corruption of por- "forth" (Latin pro- "forth") and Old French poser "to put, place".[2] Purpose is related to the term pose used from 1374 as to "put in a certain position," or "suggest, propose, suppose, assume," a term use in Late Latin debating (c.300—c.700) from pausare "to halt, rest, pause".[3]
IMHO purpose seems to make the most sense to me. It's obviously unanswerable.
When you look in your toilet and see it empty with nothing in it
does that mean just because it's empty the toilet has no purpose? What's the definition of nothing? We use the word ALL the time. Why is there an empty toilet instead of something in it? We would say "nothing" is in it. Why is there "nothing" rather than something- because purpose isn't involved. When purpose gets involved you have crap in your toilet.
My point about the toilet is that "nothing" can be described in a lot of ways.
In order to have something,purpose is required. Without purpose, you have "nothing".
So, There is something rather than nothing because of purpose. Without purpose what is there? NOTHING.
Before you have something you need nothing. For there to be something from nothing there has to be purpose or there would always be nothing.
Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.
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Chuck77
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Message 87 of 366 (625308)
07-22-2011 7:14 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by Dr Jack
07-22-2011 6:47 AM


Re: Purpose
Mr Jack writes:
Chuck77 writes:
Before you have something you need nothing.
Why?
Why? So then you think something always existed? And there was never nothing?
Why?
Isn't whatever the purpose is, or whatever has the purpose, something?
Are you a JACK of all trades and master of nothing?
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Chuck77
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Message 100 of 366 (625412)
07-23-2011 2:32 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by cavediver
07-22-2011 7:29 AM


Re: Purpose
cavediver writes:
We have plenty of evidence of "something". We have no evidence for "nothing". So why would we postulate that before something there was nothing?
I have no idea Im just doing my best to sound smart like everyone else here who has no fracking idea how to answer the question
Other than that, I think "purpose" is a good option.
Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.

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Chuck77
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Message 102 of 366 (625416)
07-23-2011 2:39 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by Straggler
07-23-2011 2:29 AM


Re: Purpose
Straggler writes:
So you have still failed to answer the question posed in this thread.
Oh thy great and wise straggles. What is thy take on said nothingness oh ye great one? What shall you dispence on our anxious ears as to why thine is something rather thine nothing oh wise and great leader of nothingness...
PURPOSE, is not MATTER, STRAGGLER. Maybe you should ask DrA if he meant something (material) or something( immaterial).

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Chuck77
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Message 103 of 366 (625418)
07-23-2011 2:48 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by Dr Jack
07-22-2011 7:51 AM


Re: Purpose
Mr Jack writes:
Actually I made no positive assertion either way; I just challenged your assertion.
Holy easy batman. Mr Jack, your quite the risk taker. How bout YOU make an assetion and STOP ragging on everyone ELSES assertion to an impossible question.
Try not to criticize everyones idea of an answer with " I made no assertion, im just challenging yours" Great. You know, I havn't really wrote a thesis on nothingness you know?
I like women, ask me why I like tall blondes and I have no problem answering your challenge
I think were all here to give the best answers we got to the impossible question without trying to answer every single persons objection who never bothered to answer it in the first place.

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Chuck77
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Message 115 of 366 (625688)
07-25-2011 4:33 AM
Reply to: Message 114 by frako
07-24-2011 5:48 PM


frako the follower
frako writes:
Lets just ask god he seems a bit dodgy but has better anwsers then IamJoshep
Have you ever asked God? How do you know he's dodgy? You listen to too much george carlin frako.
frako, why is there something rather than nothing? Any thoughts or just feel like ripping Joseph? You have a brain or you just one of the dog pile members here at EvC? Are you a follower frako?
Do you find it easier to fit in rather than stand out?
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