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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1
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They pick up a pulse in an electromagnetic wave. The spin comes from what phase the wave is in. Can you provide some sort of documentation to support this? A bald face assertion is not sufficient.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4400 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
They pick up a pulse in an electromagnetic wave. The spin comes from what phase the wave is in. Can you describe this pulse? Is it a change in frequency or amplitude? What about polarization, horizontal or vertical or maybe circular? A little more explanation of phase would also be helpful. Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given.A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. ― Edward R. Murrow "You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them" - Ray Bradbury
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Son Goku Inactive Member
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foreveryoung writes:
There are a few things wrong with this, let's take the most glaring problem first. They pick up a pulse in an electromagnetic wave. The spin comes from what phase the wave is in. The spin, which is basically just angular momentum always comes in multiples of . If light was just a wave, then couldn't the strength of the wave be adjusted continuously to get any amount of angular momentum you wanted. Why is it always with a whole number?
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
What are you talking about? The data you have which supports your assertions. What, it doesn't exist?
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ooh-child Member (Idle past 599 days) Posts: 242 Joined:
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Higgs boson results from LHC 'get even stronger' - BBC News
According to this BBC article: Now one Higgs-hunting team at the Large Hadron Collider report a "5.9 sigma" levels of certainty it exists. IOW, it's now a one-in-300 million chance that the results are just statistical flukes. I sure wish forever....err.......voltaire30 would come back and continue w/ his questions. I really thought you were getting somewhere, kiddo.
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Son Goku Inactive Member |
The data has been checked more extensively and in addition to the 5.9 sigma result mentioned above, it seems the new boson has the same decay properties as those predicted for the Higgs. What remains is to measure those decay properties more exactly, since currently the boson could still be some other particle. Also, more importantly, we need to measure the parity of the new boson.
Parity only comes in two values (-,+) which describes how the field related to the particle behaves if you look at it in a mirror. Although the profile of the field will be inverted, like any everyday object, its also possible that its values at each point in space could change sign, that is flip from positive to negative values and vice-versa. + being that they don't change sign, - being that they do. The Higgs field has parity +, the effects of which will show up in the scattering of the Higgs boson off other particles.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
"New results indicate that particle discovered at CERN is a Higgs boson"
New results indicate that particle discovered at CERN is a Higgs boson | CERN It looks as though some of the verifying that Son Goku posted about has been completed.
quote: and that there is still more of that verification left to do...
quote: Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 4075 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined:
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The only way you will upset the apple cart of established physics, is by setting out, with cogent mathematics, a comprehensive competing theory, which allows you to make mathematically based predictions, which can in turn be tested and verified in experiments.
That is true in the discipline of Modern Science. Science will not accept a theory otherwise.In fact, that is the definition of a theory. What I find so interesting about the verification of the Higgs particle is that it fills in the organization of the Elemental Particles in the same analogous way that Chemists organized the Atomic particles into the twelve Chemical Groups. The Group Theory that predicts a specific pattern to the way our mind organizes and analyzes Reality seems confirmed in this research that has slowly found the exact number and groupings of elemental particles as predicted by the hypothesis I set down years ago:
In the very center of the Graphic Representation of the Elemental Particles that were predicted to exist, that white triangle contains the shape which was empty and awaiting this discovery.
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Eli Member (Idle past 3746 days) Posts: 274 Joined: |
There are 18 chemical groups. Please take your numerology and pet theories somewhere that might be considered relevant. Whatever you predicted has nothing to do with the subject or with what the actual organization of atomic particles is.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 4075 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined:
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Beyond the Standard Model
The Higgs was a next to step, since the GUT still predict the Quark-Lepton, or X-partical,....... and the graviton has not be discovered: Grand unification theories A grand unified theory predicts additional gauge bosons named X and Y bosons. The hypothetical X and Y bosons direct interactions between quarks and leptons, hence violating conservation of baryon number and causing proton decay. Such bosons would be even more massive than W and Z bosons due to symmetry breaking. GravitonsThe fourth fundamental interaction, gravity, may also be carried by a boson, called the graviton. In the absence of experimental evidence and a mathematically coherent theory of quantum gravity, it is unknown whether this would be a gauge boson or not.
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Eli Member (Idle past 3746 days) Posts: 274 Joined:
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There are 24 fermions, not 12.
There are 5 Bosons in GUT, not 7. You can copy and paste a wiki, but that doesn't mean you understand what the article says. Clearly your picture has nothing to do with what you copied, and as far as organizing information, its nearly indecipherable. Classifications should be nested in categorical heirarchy, not some cookie cutter pattern that you basically fill in with whatever terms you think apply regardless if they belong or their actual relationship. Your chart is crap.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I apologize for my part in turning an informative thread into a steaming pile that I wouldn't invite anyone to read.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 4075 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined:
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I apologize...
Fine,... But don't stop reading now that we are back of track.The Higgs connects this "God particle" with what may well be the Urim and Thummim. The U&T allowed the high priest to discern the will of that same God which interacts with mankind, wherein using his own High Priest, Truth, all is revealed by casting this fixed pattern, as if a vail before the Temple, over everything we come to fully understand. Exodus 26:33And thou shalt hang up the vail under the taches, that thou mayest bring in thither within the vail the ark of the testimony: and the vail shall divide unto you between the holy place and the most holy.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 4075 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined:
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There are 18 chemical groups.
Yes, that is almost right if you add the 8B trinity of elements....
It is easy to remember things when we use the same procerss of Ordering them, like this opattern or Graphic Organizer demonstrates.When we feed "order in," students can learn to get "order out." The organization of everything we try to understand is really the observable efect of the way our whole Central nervous System has evolved, into these same number sets.
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4755 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined:
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Please stay out of this thread. Others wish to discuss the CERN work on this not numerological nonsense that you like to make up.
Thank you. More posting here will give you a 3 day suspension.
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