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ZenMonkey
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Message 5 of 284 (625829)
07-25-2011 10:18 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Taz
07-25-2011 9:24 PM


Re: You don't get it.
Taz writes:
Seriously, just try it out. See if you're just one good argument from turning gay or not. Prove it to us that your argument has merit.
Really, who the fuck cares if being gay is a choice after all? The debate over whether or not being homosexual is by choice or by nature is silly. It really shouldn't matter. These anti-gay protesters weren't born Baptist, they chose to be Baptists. So if I or anyone else chooses to get naked with or even marry someone with the same plumbing, who's business is it? If God doesn't like it, then let God deal with it.
I agree that the most vocal and angry anti-gay activists are more often than not super-closeted, secret man-craving fiends. I had a gay friend who covered the GOP presidential convention in 2000. He told me that he'd had the steamiest sex ever while he was there, and it wasn't with the openly gay conservatives in the Log Cabin Republicans group. You really build up a lot of frustration if you spend your whole life hiding who you really are, sometimes even from yourself.

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-Steven Colbert
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ZenMonkey
Member (Idle past 4511 days)
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From: Portland, OR USA
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Message 23 of 284 (626008)
07-26-2011 5:47 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by hooah212002
07-26-2011 4:05 PM


Re: You don't get it.
hooah writes:
I wouldn't even agree that engaging in homosexual acts could alone make one homosexual, namely with the example you provided.
They don't.
I think that people are a lot more flexible sexually than is commonly accepted in our culture. Sexual interest and desire exist on a continuum, with lots of shades of gray, and very few people 100% on one end or the other. Other cultures have been perfectly capable of acknowledging same sex activity without resorting to labels. In fact, I'd be willing to assert that most people have fooled around to some extent or another with someone of the same sex at some point in their lives. Women, at least in our culture, are often less conflicted out this. On the other hand, most men are too stressed about not being manly if they admit to enjoying some recreational activities with another guy's dick. Our society is also much harsher on gay men in general, even today when it's not quite so acceptable for a man to be beaten to death for being, or at least seeming to be, homosexual.
To my mind, the difference isn't sexual so much as it is romantic. Even if people are much more capable of enjoying same sex activity than they usually admit, it's rarer for people to want to have a real romantic relationship with someone of the same sex. I certainly know of some exceptions to this - I have one female friend who considers herself quite hetero, but just happens to have fallen in love with and has a serious relationship with another woman. I don't think that she's bi or just not admitting that she's gay. I think that in her case at least, it's the person and not the plumbing that matters the most.

Your beliefs do not effect reality and evidently reality does not effect your beliefs.
-Theodoric
Reality has a well-known liberal bias.
-Steven Colbert
I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it.
- John Stuart Mill

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