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PaulK Member Posts: 17993 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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quote: And I don’t because I am honest and rational - as shown in my previous post.
quote: Maybe someday you’ll have a torture squad, but I’m hardly about to uncritically believe you without duress. That would be highly irrational.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9610 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Faith writes: He starts with a Fox News report about a Hindu man who hadn't eaten or drunk anything for 66 years which reminded Buz of the story of a missionary to a remote tribe in New Guinea where the witch who ran things was 160 years old and similarly had not eaten or drunk anything for many years. There are dozens of these silly frauds - particularly in India. They're all debunked. Don't you think that if any of them where actually true science would be all over it looking for a wonderful new cure for eating? The so called doctor never published any findings, never published the video of the confinement and refused permission for anyone to check the room the fraudster was kept in. Total tosh, swallowed whole without even an attempt to check anything. Dr. Sudhir Shah and Prahlad Jani - Skeptimedia - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.comJe suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1742 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Thing is, I know demon possession of living people is real, all this adds is the idea that dead people could be possessed.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17993 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
And your evidence that the Hindu fake is dead and demonically possessed is ?
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Phat Member Posts: 18691 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
Perhaps this story from CNN would interest you:
When exorcists need help, they call him quote: The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide
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PaulK Member Posts: 17993 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Does your article say anything at all about the Hindu who allegedly survives without food and water ? No ? Then it doesn’t answer the question, does it?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1742 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It's either a fraud or the guy was a corpse. I believe the missionary story so I have no reason not to believe the Hindu story. If you see the Antichrist dead and then see him alive again, which interpretation are you going for?
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1742 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Too much to read I'm afraid. Can you quote the most important part or just paraphrase it for me? Thanks.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17993 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
quote: Or the guy was being kept alive by supernatural means. Once you let the supernatural in you can’t arbitrarily limit it to the effects you want.
quote: You’d have to be very gullible to believe an anecdote retold more than 30 years later from a guy who is happy to rewrite the Bible to pretend that he’s right. Don’t forget either that Buz fell for Ron Wyatt’s nonsense. And again, even if you believe the Hindu story (when this is a known trick of fakes) it doesn’t say that he was dead at all. Don’t you think that the medics who supposedly confirmed his story would have noticed if he was ?
quote: Well I’m not going to actually see him dead, am I? Even if it happened (it won’t). So I’m pretty unlikely to be convinced that he was dead.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 1032 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined:
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Speaking for myself here, but I’m just glad that the Covid-19 thread got retitled from Corvid-19. I was getting real worried about corvids and larids attacking columbids in St Peter’s Square- there might have been something to this Rupture thing after all if that was going on with viruses too!!
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Tangle Member Posts: 9610 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Faith writes: Thing is, I know demon possession of living people is real, all this adds is the idea that dead people could be possessed. So you believe it's real, what are we supposed to do with that information except study the delusional mind?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1742 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Study all you like, the only delusion would be thinking I'm delusional just because I believe something you have a prejudice against believing.
Thing is, if an evil person such as the Antichrist has a sword run through him or is shot in the head or suffers some other fatal event, and falls down dead, and all the people around say he's dead, and then he suddenly comes back to life, my guess would be a demon possessed his dead body. I suppose you can assume some kind of trickery if you like and that's MacArthur's interpretation too since he knows Satan can't bring a person back to life. I won't be around to form an opinion from the TV coverage, but you probably will.
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ringo Member (Idle past 709 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat's signature writes:
That isn't how the exorcists do it. The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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PaulK Member Posts: 17993 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
quote: But we have better reasons for thinking that you are delusional, even in this thread. You think that the following is good reason to think that the man is a demon-possessed corpse.
Just tonight on Fox News it was announced that an old Hindu man has lived for 66 years without food or water. According to the source, this has been verified by medical doctors and people come to him to pay respect and reverence. The observers have determined that his energy comes from some metaphysical or spiritual power. The man himself attributes it to a certain goddess who he has been devoted to and worships. Now the fact that this offers no real evidence that he was dead or possessed (and if he was dead the doctors really ought to have noticed) doesn’t seem to worry you. And yet you seem to think that your claim deserves to be believed (Message 300) Further, according to the link Tangle posted in Message 302 even the Daily Mail was sceptical of the story. The doctors periodically examine the man but never release their data. And we know that similar cases have been fraud. So, in all likelihood the man is just one of many Hindu fakes, and the evidence is certainly insufficient to say otherwise. If you believe otherwise you are delusional. There is no doubt. Edited by PaulK, : Fixed tag
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Phat Member Posts: 18691 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
That isn't how the exorcists do it. Actually yes, that is the basic model, based on scripture. Once the oppression is cast out,the person needs to "replace" that negative energy with the positive life giving Spirit of the lord. You cant just cast this stuff out through filling yourself with the energy from Long John Silver.The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide
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