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PaulK
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Message 301 of 330 (872720)
03-03-2020 6:03 AM
Reply to: Message 300 by Faith
03-03-2020 5:48 AM


Re: Demon Possession of Dead people.
quote:
Oh I don't expect you to accept anything I say about anything.

And I don’t because I am honest and rational - as shown in my previous post.

quote:
Maybe someday you won't be able to avoid it.

Maybe someday you’ll have a torture squad, but I’m hardly about to uncritically believe you without duress. That would be highly irrational.


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Message 302 of 330 (872754)
03-03-2020 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 297 by Faith
03-03-2020 4:53 AM


Re: Demon Possession of Dead people.
Faith writes:

He starts with a Fox News report about a Hindu man who hadn't eaten or drunk anything for 66 years which reminded Buz of the story of a missionary to a remote tribe in New Guinea where the witch who ran things was 160 years old and similarly had not eaten or drunk anything for many years.

There are dozens of these silly frauds - particularly in India. They're all debunked. Don't you think that if any of them where actually true science would be all over it looking for a wonderful new cure for eating? The so called doctor never published any findings, never published the video of the confinement and refused permission for anyone to check the room the fraudster was kept in. Total tosh, swallowed whole without even an attempt to check anything.

Dr. Sudhir Shah and Prahlad Jani - Skeptimedia - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com


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Message 303 of 330 (872758)
03-03-2020 3:27 PM
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03-03-2020 2:17 PM


Re: Demon Possession of Dead people.
Thing is, I know demon possession of living people is real, all this adds is the idea that dead people could be possessed.

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Message 304 of 330 (872759)
03-03-2020 3:28 PM
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03-03-2020 3:27 PM


Re: Demon Possession of Dead people.
And your evidence that the Hindu fake is dead and demonically possessed is ?

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Message 305 of 330 (872762)
03-03-2020 3:45 PM
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03-03-2020 3:28 PM


Re: Demon Possession of Dead people.
Perhaps this story from CNN would interest you:
When exorcists need help, they call him

quote:
Dr. Richard Gallagher is an Ivy League-educated, board-certified psychiatrist who teaches at Columbia University and New York Medical College. He was part of the team that tried to help the woman.

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Message 306 of 330 (872763)
03-03-2020 3:48 PM
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03-03-2020 3:45 PM


Re: Demon Possession of Dead people.
Does your article say anything at all about the Hindu who allegedly survives without food and water ? No ? Then it doesn’t answer the question, does it?

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Message 307 of 330 (872766)
03-03-2020 3:56 PM
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03-03-2020 3:48 PM


Re: Demon Possession of Dead people.
It's either a fraud or the guy was a corpse. I believe the missionary story so I have no reason not to believe the Hindu story. If you see the Antichrist dead and then see him alive again, which interpretation are you going for?

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 308 of 330 (872767)
03-03-2020 3:59 PM
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03-03-2020 3:45 PM


Re: Demon Possession of Dead people.
Too much to read I'm afraid. Can you quote the most important part or just paraphrase it for me? Thanks.

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Message 309 of 330 (872769)
03-03-2020 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 307 by Faith
03-03-2020 3:56 PM


Re: Demon Possession of Dead people.
quote:
It's either a fraud or the guy was a corpse

Or the guy was being kept alive by supernatural means. Once you let the supernatural in you can’t arbitrarily limit it to the effects you want.

quote:
I believe the missionary story so I have no reason not to believe the Hindu story.

You’d have to be very gullible to believe an anecdote retold more than 30 years later from a guy who is happy to rewrite the Bible to pretend that he’s right. Don’t forget either that Buz fell for Ron Wyatt’s nonsense.

And again, even if you believe the Hindu story (when this is a known trick of fakes) it doesn’t say that he was dead at all. Don’t you think that the medics who supposedly confirmed his story would have noticed if he was ?

quote:
If you see the Antichrist dead and then see him alive again, which interpretation are you going for?

Well I’m not going to actually see him dead, am I? Even if it happened (it won’t). So I’m pretty unlikely to be convinced that he was dead.


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Message 310 of 330 (872772)
03-03-2020 6:40 PM


Speaking for myself here, but I’m just glad that the Covid-19 thread got retitled from Corvid-19. I was getting real worried about corvids and larids attacking columbids in St Peter’s Square- there might have been something to this Rupture thing after all if that was going on with viruses too!!

  
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Message 311 of 330 (872775)
03-03-2020 11:16 PM
Reply to: Message 303 by Faith
03-03-2020 3:27 PM


Re: Demon Possession of Dead people.
Faith writes:

Thing is, I know demon possession of living people is real, all this adds is the idea that dead people could be possessed.

So you believe it's real, what are we supposed to do with that information except study the delusional mind?


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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 312 of 330 (872777)
03-04-2020 3:39 AM
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03-03-2020 11:16 PM


Re: Demon Possession of Dead people.
Study all you like, the only delusion would be thinking I'm delusional just because I believe something you have a prejudice against believing.

Thing is, if an evil person such as the Antichrist has a sword run through him or is shot in the head or suffers some other fatal event, and falls down dead, and all the people around say he's dead, and then he suddenly comes back to life, my guess would be a demon possessed his dead body. I suppose you can assume some kind of trickery if you like and that's MacArthur's interpretation too since he knows Satan can't bring a person back to life. I won't be around to form an opinion from the TV coverage, but you probably will.


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Message 313 of 330 (872792)
03-04-2020 2:28 PM
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03-03-2020 3:45 PM


Re: Demon Possession of Dead people.
Phat's signature writes:

“The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge


That isn't how the exorcists do it.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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Message 314 of 330 (872794)
03-04-2020 3:05 PM
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03-04-2020 3:39 AM


Re: Demon Possession of Dead people.
quote:
Study all you like, the only delusion would be thinking I'm delusional just because I believe something you have a prejudice against believing.

But we have better reasons for thinking that you are delusional, even in this thread. You think that the following is good reason to think that the man is a demon-possessed corpse.

Just tonight on Fox News it was announced that an old Hindu man has lived for 66 years without food or water. According to the source, this has been verified by medical doctors and people come to him to pay respect and reverence. The observers have determined that his energy comes from some metaphysical or spiritual power. The man himself attributes it to a certain goddess who he has been devoted to and worships.

Now the fact that this offers no real evidence that he was dead or possessed (and if he was dead the doctors really ought to have noticed) doesn’t seem to worry you. And yet you seem to think that your claim deserves to be believed (Message 300)

Further, according to the link Tangle posted in Message 302 even the Daily Mail was sceptical of the story. The doctors periodically examine the man but never release their data. And we know that similar cases have been fraud.

So, in all likelihood the man is just one of many Hindu fakes, and the evidence is certainly insufficient to say otherwise.

If you believe otherwise you are delusional. There is no doubt.

Edited by PaulK, : Fixed tag


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Message 315 of 330 (872797)
03-04-2020 4:48 PM
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03-04-2020 2:28 PM


Re: Demon Possession of Dead people.
That isn't how the exorcists do it.
Actually yes, that is the basic model, based on scripture. Once the oppression is cast out,the person needs to "replace" that negative energy with the positive life giving Spirit of the lord. You cant just cast this stuff out through filling yourself with the energy from Long John Silver.

“The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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