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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4473 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
Just something to chew on.
quote: Read more: quote: read more: NBC showed some balls for the briefest of moments, and then caved. I cant believe I am just now reading about this, I must have been drinking heavy that week. ![]() "No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten." Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4473 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
Any religion should be free to put up their icons as well. Wheres the beef? I thought the same thing, I think it would be nice for some artist to be able to get some scrap from the trade center and make a sculpture that would include a bit of all the religions of the people who died that day. JMO I think it might make a bold statement that Christians were not the only ones who died that day, and ask the atheist what they would like as a representation. I think they are bitchin just to bitch, very troll like IMO."No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten." Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4473 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
Just know as much as the link I provided. I guess the memorial is a national park so they would be suing the park service maybe?... seems like a bunch of frivolous BS to me.
"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten." Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4473 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined:
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It wouldn't be nearly as awesome without your input.
![]() ![]() "No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten." Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4473 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
After a little digging it seems that the Port Authority, which is building the Memorial, would be who is getting sued.
quote: Read more: Does this help? "No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten." Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4473 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
Well it seems the atheist agree with you.
quote: "No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten." Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4473 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined:
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Thanks for the info Mod,
After looking over the info Mod produced I have to say it seems they have a valid argument. If we allow one religious symbol then we should allow all the religious symbols of the people who died that day. My initial position of it being frivolous BS was wrong, If I had paid closer attention to what I linked too I would've seen this sooner. I was wrong. ![]() AbE Funny as it may be, but atheist seem to be fighting for, what they feel, should be the right of all/any religion who was effected that day. Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given. Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given."No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten." Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4473 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined:
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I think you just want a discussion so you have switched sides, which is fine, let's discuss. I made a quick decision based on less than all the facts, I have said I think I was wrong initially. What is to discuss?? Are you accusing me of being a troll? What is wrong with changing ones mind based on more, or, further interpretation of the available facts? "No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten." Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4473 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
Why are you so defensive? Probably cuase once again I have stuck my foot in my mouth.. ![]() "No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten." Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4473 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined:
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If anyone would like to make a suggestion or a complaint can do so here.
quote: It would be nice to see some evidence of another religious group being denied placement of their star of david ect...It would go a long ways toward the atheist case.
quote: It seems from this statement they are confused. If it is not being displayed for its religious value then why would the president Joe Daniels mention the spiritual comfort it provided. If it truly isn't meant to represent religion then flip it 90 degrees maybe. It seems it would be easier just to make a public statement saying they would be willing to allow other faiths or non- faiths to display their icons also, seems like an easy way to appease all involved if they don't have a Christian agenda."No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten." Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4473 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
I was looking at the American Atheist blog about the WTC cross and ran across this about death threats being posted against atheist on the Fox News Facebook page. It never ceases to amaze me how some Christians, or believers in god, can justify killing atheist or anyone they feel is doing them an injustice. Do they think this is what their God wants? I cant think of any New testament support for these views, in fact doesn't the NT teach the opposite?
I am only going to post a couple of these, the link provides about 18 examples of this hate. I am sure some are just trolls, but not all,
After witnessing this kind of intolerance from some in the Christian camp time and again it makes me glad I am godless, some religions seem to mess some people up. This whole thing would be a non-issue if the WTC museum had of accepted the AA offer of an additional memorial/statue that would've better represented all Americans that died that day. A win win IMO. I wonder if the families of the non-Americans killed that day will get to display a flag or something to remind the visitors that Americans weren't the only ones to die. I sent a message to the WTC museum asking them if they would even consider the AA offer...their response was "No comment at this time". I expected that with a pending court case though, I doubt CS will get a response from the AA for the same reason. ![]() Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given."No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten." Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4473 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
.I thought the structure had no religious value or implication Apparently it does for some, maybe the WTC museum should distance themselves from these nuts. ![]() Fox News has deleted that whole page from FB, they knew what they were doing by asking for comments was stirring up a shit-storm for the sake of ratings, a little hate and intolerance goes a long way. AbE
quote:Read more.. Bloomberg thinks it's religious. Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given. Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given."No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten." Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4473 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
Then why not display then object on it's side (or whatever)? Side=ok...flip it 180= not so good ![]() Sorry, couldn't resist."No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten." Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4473 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
Unfortunately it was found as it is shown, hence the religious aspect, if it was lying down it would've been just a piece of cross shaped scrap, I am sure there was many.
Here is at least one different one, top pix, that didn't gain notoriety. Bottom one is the one at the memorial."No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten." Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4473 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
No they suggested a fireman carrying a victim, seems much more appropriate IMO.
Welcome to EvC. AbE, Personally I think this image would make a fine statue, sort of reminds me of a picture of a group of marines raising a flag. That picture made a fine statue for the Marine Corps War Memorial.
Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given. Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given."No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten." Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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