Kent Hovind

Here is the video from the first time Shermer and Hovind debated:Error 404 (Not Found)!!1

You do not make arguments. You rely on solipsisms.When you want to talk about evidence and reality then we will be more than willing to discuss.

Evidence please. No, they are not. You have yet to support the argument that law, order, and identifiable purpose are signs of creator and a creator alone with evidence. Natural causes are just that, natural causes. You are suggesting supernatural causes, and are doing so without any observations of supernatural causation, nor evidence of it. Why? How are law, order, and purpose evidence of a designer? It would seem to me that law, order, and purpose are evidence of law, order and purpose in the same way that natural causes are evidence of natural causes. Claims made without evidence refute themselves.

The same applies to law, order, and purpose. These are abstract terms as well. Reality offers no alternatives. There is only one reality. Period. Again, reality offers no alternatives. There is only the way things are. That's it. If you want to claim that things are a certain way, then you need to show us evidence that this is so. Why would they, given the absence of evidence for a designer or God? Again, there is only reality. Not choices. Not possibilities. Just reality. Where is the evience that God exists, or that God is eternal? You have yet to supply this evidence.

For what it is worth:

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One of the individuals who I interviewed, who lost approximately 30,000 thousand dollars to Ron Wyatt, went to Israel with him, supposedly to see some of these sights and record them on film. An assignment editor of a major television station in Nasheville went with them. Not only did this individual not see any of these incredible discoveries, but his wife was told by one of Ron Wyatt's sons that the chariot wheels that Ron supposedly discovered in the Gulf of Aqaba were planted there by Ron. Mr. Wyatt gave this couple some coins which he supposedly found at the Ark of the Covenant site. Again, one of Wyatt's sons informed the wife that Wyatt bought those coins. Gentle, soft-spoken Ron verbally abused an Arab car rental agent when the agent told Mr. Wyatt that his son was to young to drive the vehicle.

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This couple and the television man returned with nothing to show for the ten's of thousands of dollars he gave to Ron. Later, Ron returned and asked for $10,000 dollars more. This man told Ron he would give him the money if he agreed to take a lie detector test and sign a statement agreeing to allow this man to use the results of the test any way he wanted. Ron tried to get the money without agreeing to take the test, but when he saw that he would not get another dime without the test, he finally signed the statement and took the test. In the words of the man who put Ron Wyatt through the test, as told by the man who gave Ron Wyatt all the previous money, "He failed just about everything except his name."
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Moller's connection with Wyatt taints all of Moller's claims. Wyatt was a con artist. Plain and simple.

There is no evidence to debunk. That's the point.

Right back atcha. You need to show, with evidence, that laws, order, and purpose are caused by a supernatural designer. This is the claim you are making, so it is up to you to supply the evidence. The burden of proof is on you, not me. You mean "Why do I reject a false dichotomy?". That should answer itself as well.

You always seem to miss a step. It is not about rejecting scripture. It is a lack of evidence which does not allow us to accept scripture. It is evidence first, then acceptance.

I am not claiming that I know what caused everything. You are making claims that you know what caused everything. I am asking for evidence that backs up your claims. Where is it? Word games? I am not the one shifting the burden of proof and using false dichotomies. That would be you.