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Author Topic:   Why Creationists' Willful Ignorance?
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Message 27 of 182 (628691)
08-12-2011 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by hooah212002
08-12-2011 12:39 AM


In MY opinion, yes, since they procreate. It benefits humankind. The less ignorant people we have running around, the better.

You support eugenics too?

But what about when those people are loud about their ignorance? So loud that they justify the rest of the ignorant flock? There happens to be a large enough group of scientifically illiterate people that we have to have debates about scientific facts.....

If people choose ignorance, fine. So long as they are aware they are wrong. But those of us with the ability owe the human race to try and edumacate people (not saying I do that great of a job, but I KNOW I'm an asshole).

Thank god we have you guys to make sure everyone's thinking is correct!

There happens to be a large enough group of scientifically illiterate people that we have to have debates about scientific facts.....

Honestly, how many of these people do you think there are?


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Message 31 of 182 (628701)
08-12-2011 10:42 AM
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08-12-2011 10:34 AM


According to P.T. Barnum, a new one's born every minute.

Of course, the scientific illiterates I'm talking about are creationists, who are fed a steady diet of PRATTs in the creationist literature while being kept ignorance of the fact that many/most of those PRATTs were refuted decades before they were born.

How many, quantitatively, are there though?

Are we talking about a million people?

If someone wants to remain ignorant about something, then no problem. Not only is everybody ignorant about many things, there are also things that they would want to remain ignorant of; eg, for me that would be sports, "reality" TV, fashion, most post-1971 popular music, especially rap.

Unfortunately, we have poeple like hooah that demand that you know that you're wrong and feel that they owe it to the human race to edumacate you about these things. I suppose he could strap you to a chair and make you watch football.

The problem is when their ignorance has a political agenda that will sabotage society.

It should be fought politically. You can't force-educate people (not that *you* are advocating that).


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Message 33 of 182 (628709)
08-12-2011 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by hooah212002
08-12-2011 10:58 AM


However, IMO, they are holding humanity back.

Start a new topic. I find them incredibly insignificant.


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Message 39 of 182 (628728)
08-12-2011 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Butterflytyrant
08-12-2011 11:48 AM


Re: I think I see his point
Thanks for the reply, BFT

Throughout history, even today, people have been educating people, even by force.

In the US, education is mandatory for kids. Its illegal to not educate your child.

But that's not really what I'm talking about...

Why allow someone to live their life in a manner that is unrequired, fearing god and following his rules, when it is known that this is doing nothing for them. If we allowed this to happen, in 100 years, wouldnt people ask us why we let them do it? Why we sat back and watched thousands of people live their life in fear and ignorance without doing anything to help them.

Like we "helped" the Native Americans? What's wrong with just letting them have their culture and ignorance?

Do you think the early colonising powers should have put a stop to things like human sacrifice in cultures they found considering it wwas not helping them in the way they thought it was?

Do you think western nations should enter nations with their armies where human rights are being violated by groups because of their religious teachings?

Do you know the Prime Directive?

Do you think we should force the catholic church to stop telling africans that condoms are a sin so they can avoid spreading the aids virus?

Do you believe that people who break the law because of their religious beliefs should be punished?

I have no idea.

These re examples where is could be considered that education by force could be considered a good thing.

It could be said that we do owe it to the species to make sure everyone is educated.

would it not be irresponsible to intentionally leave a group ignorant?

What about culture? How about some flavor and color in the world. Unifying everyone into some light brown mush with no variety isn't something I'd like to see.

But I do see your point. However, I don't think the attitude that we must help the YEC's by educating them away from their beliefs is a good thing.


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Message 40 of 182 (628729)
08-12-2011 12:07 PM
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08-12-2011 11:53 AM


Re: I think I see his point
Throughout history, even today, people have been educating people, even by force.

Except for the fact that nowhere did I advocate such a thing, or eugenics for that matter.

You said that we owe it to the human race to rid these people of their ignorance. You sound like an evangelical on his way to meet some indians...


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