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Attn IDers, what would it take...?

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RAZD
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Message 55 of 86 (244420)
09-17-2005 2:33 PM 		Reply to: Message 50 by Warren
09-17-2005 1:32 PM

Re: Reason vs Unreason
Warren writes:
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the ID camp I reside in constrains their ID investigation to the OOL (origin of life). They accept common descent. The OOL and the ToE are two different things.
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...but unlike mammals we don't know precursors pre-existed bacterial flagella.
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Oops. That isn't OOL but ToE. And this particular example purposefully exploits the lack of fossil evidence for such features (because, gosh, such soft tissue creatures don't fossilize except under very extraordinary conditions), and it completely ignores the existence of many similar features in related bacteria and the genetic evidence of a common ancestor among them.
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Welcome to the fray
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Enjoy.
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RAZD
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09-18-2005 11:52 AM 		Reply to: Message 65 by Warren
09-18-2005 11:42 AM

Re: Reason vs Unreason
warren, still unable to figure out quote boxes, writes:
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I can hypothesize a teleological origin of life that I think is as testable as the non-teleological origin of life hypotheses I've seen thus far.
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Can you distinguish that OOL hypothesis from an accidental deposition of contaminated garbage on a young planet?
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In other words does intelligent intent have to be involved?
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09-18-2005 1:09 PM 		Reply to: Message 69 by Warren
09-18-2005 12:20 PM

Re: Reason vs Unreason
warren still unable to make intelligent use of the specific complexity of quote boxes writes:
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ID hypotheses don't have to ...
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be anything, do anything.
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Sounds like Silly Design to me.
EvC Forum: Silly Design Institute: Let's discuss BOTH sides of the Design Controversy...
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Message 76 of 86 (244645)
09-18-2005 1:55 PM 		Reply to: Message 74 by NosyNed
09-18-2005 1:42 PM

copy and paste posting
he's just banging in copy and paste quotes from ID sites with no comment or theme develoment, and not even referencing the person who is the "ID Theorist"
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09-21-2005 8:19 AM 		Reply to: Message 80 by Warren
09-19-2005 1:33 PM

Perception and Science
Here's something for you to chew on:
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"We treat organisms - the parts at least -- as if they were manufactured, as if they were designed,
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The IDist looks through a kaleidoscope and sees a wonderful pattern: "lo" he claims, "the probability of this pattern occurring is one in billions, if not zillions" -- regardless of which particular pattern he is viewing.
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The scientist takes the kaleidoscope apart to see how it works: "lo" he claims, "it is just a pile of colored beads tumbled into any of billions or zillions of completely random distributions, and it is only the mirrors and the viewhole that give it the appearance of design" -- and covers all the possible patterns that you can view.
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"But" says the IDist "look at the complexity of this design, it must have been arranged somehow to end up with this design" ...
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At which point the scientist goes off, muttering things about post hoc ergo proctor hoc and argument from incredulity logical fallacies.
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ID as practiced is bankrupt on science (no falsification test) and poor on philosophy\logic (full of logical fallacies).
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Enjoy.
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we are limited in our ability to understand
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