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Author Topic:   Attn IDers, what would it take...?
crashfrog
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Message 62 of 86 (244596)
09-18-2005 11:15 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by Warren
09-18-2005 11:11 AM


Re: Reason vs Unreason
"Scientific inquiry proceeds in the absence of theories. Scientific theories do not come into the world like Athena springing from the head of Zeus, perfectly formed. 'The transition from data to theory,' argued the philosopher of science Carl Hempel (1966, p. 15), 'requires creative imagination....and great ingenuity, especially if the [new ideas] involve a radical departure from current modes of scientific thinking, as did, for example, the theory of relativity and quantum theory.' Hempel might have added that a lot of hard work is also needed, mainly in hypothesis generation and testing -- to start the difficult cycle of reasoning Karl Popper (1962) called 'conjectures and refutations.'...At the moment, we -- that's all the people who care, both design theorists and anti-design theorists -- are in the midst of the first major cycle of proposed refutations... The dialectical activity of proposing and weighing new ideas is underway. Either a theory of biological design will emerge from all this work or it won't. I say it will."
Then maybe these people should get to work and get some results before they complain about not being allowed in the journals and not being allowed to have their beliefs taught in school.

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crashfrog
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Message 67 of 86 (244607)
09-18-2005 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Warren
09-18-2005 11:28 AM


Re: Reason vs Unreason
Who are "these people" you refer to? Most of the design theorists I'm familiar with do not advocate teaching ID in school.
Then they need to clean house. It's certainly not evolutionists who clamor for "alternative theories" and "other points of view" in science classes.
It's great to hear that ID'ists realize that their conjectures are far, far from ready for primetime. Now, could they kindly inform the rabid anti-evolution attack dogs of that little fact? Thanks.

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