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Author Topic:   Do Christians Worship Different Gods?
Bailey
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Message 5 of 286 (629687)
08-19-2011 10:12 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by GDR
08-18-2011 11:25 PM


Regarding the Shaping of Ideologies ..
Hi GDR - hope things are well with you & yours, thank you for the enjoyable & well written op ..
GDR writes:
1/ Am I as a Christian worshiping a different God than the God as worshipped by a fundamentalist Christian?
Does the sacrificial, and so oppressive, framework of what passes for Pauline Christendom produce different fruit than the contrarily liberating framework presented through Joshua’s discourse concerning his offering as a ransom?
Rather than disagree you’re worshiping a different god than a fundamental Christian, a strict monotheist may quicker agree you’re worshipping God differently. Do the Latter testaments portray Joshua, as a devout Yuhdean, worshiping a different God than that of his acting high priest and fellow Yuhdean, Yosef Bar Kayafa?
2/ What effect do these two different views of the Christian God have on our world view as individuals today?
If we consider whether the ultimate disconnect of Joshua’s early heterodox Yuhdean tradition from that of his peer’s was solidified as the destruction of the 2nd Yirusalem Temple occurred, as his students fled to the hills while the Romans transformed Yirusalem into a Gehinnom of fire, perhaps we can ask ..
What effect did the worldview adopted by Joshua’s Yuhdean followers have on their political, and overall, decision making and their respective consequences?
One Love

I'm not here to mock or condemn what you believe, tho my intentions are no less than to tickle your thinker.
If those in first century CE had known what these words mean ... 'I want and desire mercy, not sacrifice'
They surely would not have murdered the innocent; why trust what I say, when you can learn for yourself?
Think for yourself.
Mercy Trumps Judgement,
Love Weary

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Bailey
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Message 17 of 286 (629759)
08-19-2011 7:47 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by GDR
08-19-2011 11:41 AM


Re: Regarding the Shaping of Ideologies ..
GDR writes:
2/ What effect do these two different views of the Christian God have on our world view as individuals today?
weary writes:
If we consider whether the ultimate disconnect of Joshua’s early heterodox Yuhdean tradition from that of his peer’s was solidified as the destruction of the 2nd Yirusalem Temple occurred, as his students fled to the hills while the Romans transformed Yirusalem into a Gehinnom of fire, perhaps we can ask ..
What effect did the worldview adopted by Joshua’s Yuhdean followers have on their political, and overall, decision making and their respective consequences?
Let's put it this way. Did God actually tell Joshua to commit genocide? Sure they won the battle but in the end the early Israelites still kept following pagan gods.
Jesus lived in Israel under Roman rule. He preached a message of revolution alright but it was a very different revolution than what Joshua would have aspired to.
The contrast provided through your comparison seems insightful although I have to offer my apologies as I seem to have been a bit misunderstood. I wasn’t referring to the early Yuhdean followers of Moshes' successor Joshua the militant conqueror, but rather Joshua (YahShua ha’Mashiach) The Anointed One (ie. early ‘christians’, etc.).
Providing the school of thought which suggests they were culturally ostracized after having fled the 70 CE destruction of the 2nd Yirusalem temple and the Yuhdean province in general holds true (while adherents to Yosef Bar Kayafa’s Yuhdean orthodoxy waged jihad), value judgments can be made concerning what effects these two different views of the Yuhdean God had on the world view of those 1st century individuals.
Those who refused the authority of the acting high priest Kayafas in favor of Joshua's (the Anointed One) admonitions found cultural denigration and religious persecution in one hand while palming continuous life in the other. Those siding with orthodoxy seem to have found pride going before destruction, and haughtiness before their fall.
I may quickly agree that our theological subscriptions can play an integral role in the development of particular ideologies and it is those same ideologies which are often found shaping our actions to a large extent.
One Love

I'm not here to mock or condemn what you believe, tho my intentions are no less than to tickle your thinker.
If those in first century CE had known what these words mean ... 'I want and desire mercy, not sacrifice'
They surely would not have murdered the innocent; why trust what I say, when you can learn for yourself?
Think for yourself.
Mercy Trumps Judgement,
Love Weary

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