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Author Topic:   Do Christians Worship Different Gods?
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Message 4 of 286 (629681)
08-19-2011 9:40 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Chuck77
08-19-2011 7:19 AM


Re: Saved or Not?
The "Are you Saved" and "Born Again" products are the two greatest and most successful con jobs ever. It's an easy sell with no product liability attached, a marvelous marketing invention.
Sure Christians worship different Gods just as there are many different gods in the books of the Bible.
Far too many Christians worship the marketed bling-bling pimp daddy described in your post.

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Message 23 of 286 (629821)
08-20-2011 8:59 AM
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08-20-2011 8:44 AM


Re: Saved or Not?
Yet they describe the "god" they worship, and all too often the descriptions do not match.
"Saved" and "Born Again" on the other hand have no connection to reality but are easy to sell. They are a great substitute for actually having to do anything worthwhile.

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Message 25 of 286 (629883)
08-20-2011 7:20 PM
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08-20-2011 7:05 PM


Re: Saved or Not?
I have no problem with "Born Again" as long as it is understood that it is something that you do every minute of every day, over and over and over again.

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jar
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Message 32 of 286 (630068)
08-22-2011 8:41 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Chuck77
08-22-2011 7:22 AM


Re: Christian or Not?
Yes I am a Christian so you may as well get used to it.
Yes I have read the Bible, many, many times.
Yes I have helped start new parishes and build churches and teach kids and adult Sunday School.
Yes I am the direct product of an education in a Christian School.
Yes I know how the concepts of "Being Born Again" and "Getting Saved" are marketed in much of Christianity and quite frankly, it seems to be just silly at best and more likely both dishonest and making God look really dumb and evil.
The reason that I know I must be born again, over and over is based on several things. The first is that I understand that Jesus was never a Christian, he was a Jew.
Jesus was a Jew and so he understood the concept in the Jewish tradition.
Jesus knew that no one is saved until after the die and are judged. It is only then, after you are dead, that you will ever find out whether or not you have been saved.
Jesus understood that each year you are given a chance to start anew, to try again, to try to fix what you broke. It is a continuous effort of honest evaluation of your behavior, acknowledging your failures, repenting those failures, trying to make amends and trying to not make the same errors in the future.
That is one reason I can say with a pretty high confidence level that even though both of us are Christians, I do not worship the God you seem to market.

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jar
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Message 46 of 286 (630558)
08-26-2011 8:41 AM
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08-26-2011 7:17 AM


Re: Christian or Not?
Where are you getting that from? What scripture verses? That part about being born again over and over...
Jesus wasn't a Christian? You do know that Christian stands for Christlike? That there were no Chriatians till after Jesus left earth? Yes jar, im aware that Jesus wasnt a Christian...LOL.
No, Christian is simply a designation for those people who belong to one of the chapters of Club Christian. Christian does not stand for Christ like although that might be one of the goals of some chapter of Club Christian.
So? I don't care about the jewish tradition and Jesus set up the NEW testiment. You know, the Testiment that is new, not the jewish law anymore? We are under grace now, not the law. You know?
I know that is taught by the CCoI, but I have never found that it stands up to examination.
Part of the problems with the indoctrination done by the CCoI is the abandonment of teaching Jewish tradition so that many if not most Christians only get the pablum version of the religion.
The "under Grace" product like the "getting saved" product and the "born again" product are cheap and easily sold, but I can't see any value to them.
Wow, that is umm, silly to say the least. Im not laughing at you don't worry. Im feel bad for you that you are stuck in this dimension of evolution, saved after we die, starting churches when you think that we are saved after we die, etc etc. you are one confused individual.
Tell me jar, if we are saved after we die(or not) why did Jesus die for us here on earth? What was the point? So we can guess what happens but not really know?
I never said that we would be saved even after we die. It is after we die that we get judged. It will only be after the judgement that anyone will know if they are saved or not.
Jesus did not die for us and his death was not the sacrifice.
That's another of those cheap products that is easily sold.
Well, I actually agree with this. We definitly do not worship the same God or savior.
BTW, what is your definition of a Christian? How does one become a Chriatian in your mind?
That one is easy. A Christian is a recognized member of one of the recognized Chapters of Club Christian.
While most of this is of course irrelevant and off topic other than that it does show that not all Christians worship the same god just as there are many different gods described in the Bible.
If there is a afterlife and if folk really do get judged, I imagine that there will be far more Buddhists, Satanists, Taoists, animists, Wicaans, Hindus, Jews, Muslims, Atheists, Agnostics, and followers of Confucius and Mencius in heaven than Christians.

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jar
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Message 49 of 286 (630599)
08-26-2011 3:53 PM
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08-26-2011 2:45 PM


Some gods are not worth worshiping and some should be opposed
A god that would kill even one person for being a sinner is not simply unjust, it is a god unworthy of respect much less love, a god worth only of contempt.
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jar
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Message 60 of 286 (630951)
08-29-2011 2:40 PM
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08-29-2011 2:01 PM


Re: God Concepts
Phat writes:
jar writes:
Jesus did not die for us and his death was not the sacrifice.
Interesting conclusion. Why did He die, then? Was He simply a human being executed by other humans? If, as you contend, His life was more of a statement than His death, do you believe that He was sent by God? Obviously a man of such importance couldn't have invented such noble philosophy entirely on his own.
Anything born dies, except maybe some polyps. Jesus was born, therefore he would die.
Why couldn't a human invent such a philosophy? Many others did it long before Jesus.
The Buddha lived over 400 years before Jesus, Confucius almost 500 years before Jesus, Mencius about 300 years before Jesus, Lao Tse about 600 years before Jesus.
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Message 62 of 286 (630954)
08-29-2011 2:50 PM
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08-29-2011 2:46 PM


Re: God Concepts
He did run away, several times. Have you ever read the Bible?
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Message 67 of 286 (631090)
08-30-2011 10:31 AM
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08-30-2011 6:13 AM


Re: Saved or Not?
iano writes:
In the case of God/you the orders are different. You need simple instructions on what constitutes right living because you are capable of sin. He doesn't.
Yet the Bible says differently. It says we already have the knowledge just as God does and that we also need to dope slap God when God is about to act immorally.
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Message 76 of 286 (631259)
08-31-2011 7:58 AM
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08-31-2011 3:55 AM


Re: Saved or Not?
Huh?
What does any of that have to do with what I said?

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Message 79 of 286 (631304)
08-31-2011 2:45 PM
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08-31-2011 2:33 PM


Re: Everyone has their own god.
iano writes:
So. Do you think God is justified in killing sinners?
Never.
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Message 83 of 286 (631330)
08-31-2011 5:35 PM
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08-31-2011 5:16 PM


Re: Everyone has their own god.
That's okay, when I post a message it is to a far wider audience anyway.
You asked, "Do you think God is justified in killing sinners?"
I answered "No!"
Sin is never a justification for killing someone, regardless of who is doing the killing.
A real God that killed someone simply because the individual sinned is not only not justified, it is evil itself and certainly nothing worthy of worship or respect and that MUST be opposed by any moral creature.
If claims are made that the God is also the creator of the individual and also omniscient, then the God is even more evil, petty, without morals and not only must be opposed, must be denounced and castigated.
Any God that knowing creates a critter that will get killed is just plain stupid, beneath even contempt.
Any God so limited that it has to resort to killing someone because they sinned is just plain silly, weak, ineffective and ludicrous, and should just be laughed at, mocked, made the brunt of bar room bathroom wall scribblings.
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Message 88 of 286 (631349)
08-31-2011 6:41 PM
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08-31-2011 6:21 PM


Re: Everyone has their own god.
It makes a big difference, I at least would be behaving morally even when God is not.
And yes, if a God makes that a condition then that God is so far below MY standard of morality as to be unworthy of my worship.
It goes directly to the heart of this thread.
I would not worship such a God.
We are charged to fight the GOOD fight.
We may not win, but we must fight.

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Message 96 of 286 (631373)
08-31-2011 7:54 PM
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08-31-2011 7:44 PM


Re: Everyone has their own god.
That's fine with me.
At least I will know that I acted morally.
Sorry but the God you market is not worthy of my worship.
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Message 101 of 286 (631379)
08-31-2011 8:05 PM
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Re: Everyone has their own god.
Bullshit.
If he believes that he will only be lying to himself.
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