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Author Topic:   Do Christians Worship Different Gods?
Panda
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Message 87 of 286 (631343)
08-31-2011 6:27 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by iano
08-31-2011 6:21 PM


Re: Everyone has their own god.
iano writes:
That would be an odd position for someone to take - that God should make promises and not keep them!
What makes you think that god would (or should) keep his promises?
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Panda
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Message 108 of 286 (631395)
08-31-2011 8:38 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by iano
08-31-2011 7:39 PM


Re: Everyone has their own god.
iano writes:
If he promises consequences for actions then he is justified in delivering on those promise if he chooses.
That is unrelated to the statement I was questioning.
quote:
That would be an odd position for someone to take - that God should make promises and not keep them!
Why would it be an odd position, unless you expect god to keep his promises?
Why do you expect god to keep his promises?
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Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Panda
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Message 113 of 286 (631457)
09-01-2011 6:12 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by Chuck77
09-01-2011 12:25 AM


Re: Questioning God
Chuck77 writes:
Do you believe in God? Who are you, Panda, to question God and His promises?
If you look at the posting history, you will see that I am questioning iano and not god.
As far as I am aware, god only lurks on this site and hasn't yet created a login.
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Panda
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Message 127 of 286 (631558)
09-01-2011 6:53 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by iano
09-01-2011 6:34 PM


Re: Everyone has their own god.
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iano writes:
I'm sovereign, I'm demonstrably capable of delivering on my promise, I direct you in the way you should go or else. I'm pointing an AK47 at you and not giving you any reason to suppose that I am anything but serious.
Wouldn't it be odd to work on the premise that I wouldn't keep my promise?
Imagine an armed robber pointing an AK47 at you and not giving you any reason to suppose that he is anything but serious.
If he promised that he would not kill you as long as you give him the combination to the safe - do you think he will keep his promise?
He is demonstrably capable of delivering on his promise, but do you think he actually will?
Why do you think god would keep his promises?
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Panda
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Message 132 of 286 (631572)
09-01-2011 7:37 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by iano
09-01-2011 7:18 PM


Re: Everyone has their own god.
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iano writes:
As long as he his not giving me any reason to suppose he is not serious about letting me live if I obey then I'd have reason to think he would keep his promise.
Well, that would be very naive.
A person willing to point a gun at you is likely to do whatever he wants regardless of any promises he made.
You don't know what his goals are - your death might suit his needs.
You don't know his motivations - maybe he enjoys killing people.
The same issues apply to god.
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Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Panda
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Message 138 of 286 (631694)
09-02-2011 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by iano
09-02-2011 1:05 PM


Re: Everyone has their own god.
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iano writes:
You asked what I would think in the circumstances - not what was possible under any circumstances at all.
Ok - I'll change it slightly...
Imagine an armed robber pointing an AK47 at someone and not giving you any reason to suppose that he is anything but serious.
If he promised that he would not kill them as long as they give him the combination to the safe - do you think he will keep his promise?
He is demonstrably capable of delivering on his promise, but do you think he actually will?
A person willing to point a gun at someone is likely to do whatever he wants regardless of any promises he made.
You don't know what his goals are - a death might suit his needs.
You don't know his motivations - maybe he enjoys killing people.
I doubt that any soldier/policeman would expect him to keep his promise.
Do you think it would be odd to work on the premise that he wouldn't keep his promise?
Do you think he will keep his promise?
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Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Panda
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Message 184 of 286 (632733)
09-09-2011 6:14 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by Jazzns
09-09-2011 4:46 PM


Re: Everyone has their own god.
Jazzns writes:
My point is that we don't need a god to tell us what to think about genocide.
But doesn't:
"Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil"
mean that we don't need god to tell us what to think about genocide - as we already know what is right or wrong?
God didn't give us the ability to discern good from evil - we took it (as we didn't know good from evil).
And now we are able to judge the actions of god, including when he commits genocide.

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Panda
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Message 186 of 286 (632743)
09-09-2011 7:11 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by iano
09-09-2011 7:06 PM


Re: Everyone has their own god.
iano writes:
You seem to be assuming that because you've been given (or have taken) s knowledge of good and evil, you yourself are a balanced judge - able to examine yourself against that knowledge,
Do we or do we not have the ability to know good and evil?
According to the bible - we do.
But maybe you disagree?
I look and see the evil that god has done.
This is not a judgement - it is an observation.
iano writes:
For such an assumption is the term "suppression of truth" coined. As in the ability to engage in suppression..
Surely, suppression of truth would be evil and I would be able to recognise it.
Or are you saying that we don't have the ability to know good and evil?
Or are you accusing me of suppressing the truth?
I think your response was intentionally vague.
Please try to be specific.
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Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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