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NoNukes
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Message 136 of 141 (765939)
08-08-2015 1:37 AM
Reply to: Message 135 by Faith
08-07-2015 11:37 PM


Re: What Is Truth?
Ridiculous questions nobody would ask because they are not relevant to the question of giving money.

Exactly the point of my example.

Let's make this the last time I respond to one of your posts. I believe you'll be a lot happier.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams


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ringo
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Message 137 of 141 (765981)
08-08-2015 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 129 by NoNukes
08-07-2015 2:55 PM


Re: What Is Truth?
NoNukes writes:

What I am adamant about is that giving a panhandler pocket money in the hope that you will build up his self esteem and sense of self worth is a piss poor strategy.


How would you go about promoting self-esteem and self-worth?
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Phat
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Message 138 of 141 (765997)
08-09-2015 1:37 AM
Reply to: Message 137 by ringo
08-08-2015 11:55 AM


Re: What Is Truth?
I'd try and get him/her a job, for starters. If they were hungry I would feed them. Giving money is not always the best option.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain

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Faith
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Message 139 of 141 (765998)
08-09-2015 4:02 AM
Reply to: Message 137 by ringo
08-08-2015 11:55 AM


Re: What Is Truth?
How would you go about promoting self-esteem and self-worth?

Money is certainly the wrong idea if that's your aim. Feeding hungry people is one thing, building self-esteem an entirely different project.

But it so happens I just recently read something about that too, that I'm not sure I could track down, one of those things that zipped through my email that I didn't keep. Something about an unbeliever, an atheist, a writer, a journalist or something like that, arguing that Christian missions do a lot of good in the world. Imagine that, given the sour view of us here at EvC. He said he'd witnessed such missions all over the world and had come to the conclusion that Christianity does a lot of good for people, such as building their self-esteem. Imagine that. Not just helping them with their survival issues but the gospel itself. This guy actually appreciated that the gospel teaches the worth of human beings and it has a big impact on people and their culture because of that effect. Imagine that.

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ringo
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Message 140 of 141 (766000)
08-09-2015 2:08 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by Phat
08-09-2015 1:37 AM


Re: What Is Truth?
Phat writes:

I'd try and get him/her a job, for starters. If they were hungry I would feed them.


DO you, though? How many people have asked you for spare change and how many have you found jobs for? How many have you fed?

Phat writes:

Giving money is not always the best option.


It is, however, a blanket option. You always have spare change (at least I always carry loonies and toonies so I WILL have spare change).
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ringo
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Message 141 of 141 (766001)
08-09-2015 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by Faith
08-09-2015 4:02 AM


Re: What Is Truth?
Faith writes:

Feeding hungry people is one thing, building self-esteem an entirely different project.


I agree. Building self-esteem is a start toward teaching the man how to fish instead of just giving him a fish.
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