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Author Topic:   Is agnosticism more intellectually honest?
Blue Jay
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Message 25 of 95 (630623)
08-26-2011 8:20 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Dr Adequate
08-25-2011 10:21 PM


Hi, Dr A.
Dr Adequate writes:
Now in order to be consistent, this agnostic must also refuse to say that there are no werewolves or fairies or unicorns, on the same basis. And yet I have not seen agnostics behave in this manner, nor do they question the honesty of those who say that werewolves are mythical. And yet intellectual consistency would demand that they should do so.
I don't know that this is necessarily true: werewolves, fairies and unicorns are a lot more clearly defined than gods are. Since the lack of clarity about the definition of god seems to be a major point of focus for many agnostics, I don't think it's inconsistent for someone to be agnostic towards the general concept of gods while not being agnostic towards specific supernatural concepts like werewolves, fairies and unicorns. Certainly, if a person maintains agnosticism towards, e.g., the Christian god, your argument holds.

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
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Message 63 of 95 (630747)
08-27-2011 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Dr Adequate
08-26-2011 8:48 PM


Hi, Dr A.
Dr Adequate writes:
So long as one hasn't seen any evidence for anything that one might consider a god, my argument holds.
I disagree: if you don't know what god is, you don't really know what evidence it would leave behind. So, lack of evidence results not just from the non-existence of the evidence, but also from failures to recognize evidence that might be there.
With werewolves and unicorns, it's pretty obvious what evidence would be left behind (perhaps more so for werewolves than for unicorns), so recognition of the evidence is not really a factor.
And, it's a fair point about fairies: I'll retract that part of my argument.

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Blue Jay
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Message 89 of 95 (630792)
08-27-2011 10:21 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Dr Adequate
08-27-2011 4:37 PM


Hi, Dr A.
Dr Adequate writes:
If I am unaware that Las Vegas' leading werewolf is called Ronald Q. Shambling, then finding in my front yard a watch with a broken strap and the name Ronald Q. Shambling engraved on the back does not suggest to me that I have been visited by a werewolf. Through my ignorance of werewolves, I have failed to recognize the evidence that is there.
If there were werewolves in Las Vegas, don't you think a few things would have been noticed by now? For instance, heightened death tolls and animal-like maulings during full moons, a few eyewitness accounts, people who regularly and inexplicably black out every full moon, etc.
Not so for gods: god concepts vary so much that there is no consistent set of evidence like this that would cover the whole spectrum of god concepts.
So, I still contend that it would be perfectly consistent for somebody to remain agnostic with respect to gods while not being "agnostic" to werewolves.

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
Darwin loves you.

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