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Author Topic:   Intelligent Design Class to be taught at Cornell University
ramoss
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Message 28 of 168 (306434)
04-25-2006 8:16 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by iano
04-25-2006 4:34 AM


Re: Design Quality
Well, the problem is tha before it can find 'other theories', it first has to be a theory itself. It has the following items it has to do to become a credible science.
1) It has to have explanitory power greater than the logical fallacy of 'This appears to be too complex to have formed naturally, therefore someoen must have designed it'
2) It has to have evidence for it that is not merely an attack on evolution. Pointing out unknowns in one theory does automatically make another viewpoint correct. It has to be able to come up with evidence all it's own.
3) It has to make testable predictions that distinguish it from other theories (in this case the theory of evolution).
4) It has to have the explanitory power over the information we already have.
So far, the number of points that I.D. has from above is zero. It makes no predictions. It explains none of the data basides saying 'We don't know therefore intelligent designer'.
It does have a lot of fancy words, with destractions. Look at the 'information' theory of demeski. He has come up with a new 'law' of information. Unfortunatly for Demski, the 'Law of conservation of information' doesn't seem to be anything but gobbley gook. It is not testable. It is just 'required' for him to try to explain things.. and from a scientific point of view, explains nothing.

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ramoss
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Message 87 of 168 (306884)
04-26-2006 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by 2ice_baked_taters
04-26-2006 7:18 PM


Well, a 'creator' in the way you are using that term is 'supernatural'.
There is no way to test for such a 'creator'. It does not fit into the methology for science.
And, part of any scientific theory is not only testablity, but being able to falsify something. How can you falsify a supernatural creator?
WOuld you WANT to put God to such a test?
As for randomness.. we are not in a deterministic universe. Quantum mechanics have proven this. We are in a universe that it is probablity oriented, not deterministic.

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ramoss
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Message 155 of 168 (307153)
04-27-2006 4:51 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by iano
04-27-2006 3:39 PM


Re: One last peek before I log off ...crap!
Let's see.
You don't want to provide evidence of the designer. Why not? I would say that this is directly related to saying there is a designer at all.
How about evidence on how the 'designer' did things. What was the methodolies used?? what traces of this tampering are left? How can this
manipulation be distinguished from naturally occuring processes?
If a designer is required for life, where did this designer come from? DId it develop naturally? If it did, why would we need a designer for life on earth? If it did not. who designed the designer??

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