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Author Topic:   Intelligent Design Class to be taught at Cornell University
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Message 166 of 168 (308520)
05-02-2006 1:55 PM

Terminal topic drift? - Topic probably closing soon
This topic should be a discussion specific to the Cornell University course (see message 1 and the other early messages).

Unless it reconnects to the content of those early messages, this topic should be closed down. As it has long parted company with the core topic theme, it is probably too late to properly reconnect to that core theme.

We shall see what now happens, but I very much see a topic closing coming.


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Message 167 of 168 (308524)
05-02-2006 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by iano
05-02-2006 12:23 PM

Re: Game, Seti, Match...?
iano writes:

As I said before IF it were possible to analyse our designs and come up with say 400 attributes common to intelligent design AND each (or very many) of these attributes were found operating in nature at the same points (timing, function, redundancy etc) along a hypothetical yet-calibrated-against-humans design methodology, THEN we have a theory supported by evidence: Intelligent design theoretically occurred in those objects investigated. At that point ToE and ID could slug it out for the title.

Two points:-

1. What you outline here already exists as a branch of Anthroplogy and is perfectly valid when applied to observations of human behavior. This leads us to point two:-

2. Why on earth would/should we assume that human design practice is anything like that of a creator we have never observed?


iano writes:

RjBs argument about producing God first is a kindergaarten level attempt at short circuiting discussion. His conclusion might be that one cannot conclude. But that pre-supposes that the case CANNOT be made. Which is one I read you yourself making all too frequently

No it's a perfectly reasonable request that you have consistently ducked.

You say, "This was designed by something".
I ask, "What?".

Are you seriously arguing that such a basic question is unfounded? I'd say that not being allowed to ask "what?" constitutes the short-circuiting of a discussion!

If, alternatively, you were to term my query as "cutting through the b*llshit", then you'd be correct.

Like other ID apologists, you pretend to want open discussion, but then move quickly to lock it down (or divert it) when it attempts to query the nature of the creator.


I have one further point about human design mirroring that of a creator...

If you somehow did show that human design was related to that of the creator (difficult without ever showing a creator!) then one could propose that the growing human use of computer simulations/learning algorithms show that the "creator" might conceiveably have designed an evolutionary process that was left to run. This somewhat subverts the "hands-on" concept of ID, and tends towards the Evolutionary Theist's position!


MSG TO ADMIN: If too OT, perhaps you could invite Iano to start a thread about his "Human Design as a Marker for Creator Design" concept?


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Message 168 of 168 (308528)
05-02-2006 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by Adminnemooseus
05-02-2006 1:55 PM

Re: Terminal topic drift - Topic closing
Topic closing.

If there is another good theme happening, perhaps a new Proposed New Topic (PNT) is called for.


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