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Buzsaw
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Message 18 of 53 (630666)
08-26-2011 10:28 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by nlerd
08-26-2011 9:42 PM


Re: Inhabitants Of The Universe
nlerd writes:
I've always been under the impression that Christians generally believe God made man in his image, and if he did that I'd assume Christians would think that the universe was created to house man. Unless they believe there is some other reason for there being so much more to the universe, why have so much stuff that is not needed for the existence of life on Earth outside of Earth and the Sun?
Hi Nlerd. Welcome to EvC. In order for you to get a handle on what the Bible teaches, regarding inhabitant of the Universe, the best way is to read up on the Bible. Take the Book of Revelation, for example, the last book of the New Testament; There are many different creatures such as legions of angels of different status, etc.
My understanding of the Universe is that it is infinite in size and time having boundless space. God is so great and beyond our understanding that he, via his multi-present Holy Spirit is aware of all that's happening in every part of the Universe.
We cannot imagine all that's likely out there. We will never know in this life.
Some place in the book of Psalms, King David described Jehovah, the Biblical god by saying that his greatness is "unsearchable."
Nothing at all that he purposes to do is too difficult for him. Over the decades, as I've lived the Christian life and prayed to him for guidance and help, he has shown himself to be strong (all and more than I could imagine) on the behalf of me and my family.
There are, according to the Bible beings capable of appearing and disappearing in the presence of mankind. There are demonic beings capable of invading the bodies of humans. There is a vast array of creatures in the Universe, according to the Bible.
The first chapter of the book of Job is another example for you to consider.
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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 26 of 53 (630679)
08-26-2011 11:07 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by nlerd
08-26-2011 10:37 PM


Re: Inhabitants Of The Universe
nlerd writes:
Do you mean that you believe angels actually live physically somewhere in our universe? I'd always thought of angels as being outside the universe like God. Same goes for demons unless either manifests on Earth.
The Universe, by definition, has no outside of, all space/area being included in the term, whether you believe, as I do, space being unbounded or whether you believe the mainstream conventional science notion that the Universe is finite.
Uni... verse=one verse, nothing else existing, unless you have the strange notion of multi-verses existing; imo, having no substantiation and making no sense.
In order to stay on topic, I won't delve further into that science topic, having given my 2 cents worth, relative to your statement.
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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 28 of 53 (630682)
08-26-2011 11:20 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Coyote
08-26-2011 11:07 PM


Re: Another answer
Coyote writes:
A Man Said to the Universe
by Stephen Crane
quote:
A man said to the universe:
"Sir I exist!"
"However," replied the universe,
"The fact has not created in me
A sense of obligation."
Cool, Coyote, except that I would have replaced the proper noun, "Universe" with the proper name, "Jehovah," and replaced the word, "Sir" with the phrase, "Our Father, who are in Heaven, had I composed it.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 30 of 53 (630684)
08-26-2011 11:33 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by nlerd
08-26-2011 11:17 PM


Re: Inhabitants Of The Universe
nlerd writes:
If I offended you I wasn't trying to, I really never thought of angels or God as existing on the same "plane" as "normal" existence. The image I've always had of God has been something beyond the physical. And I've always pictured angels as being with God when not poking around in our business.
Certainly, no offense at all Nlerd. A lot of folks have this strange notion that Jehovah and all of his creatures of various levels of intelligence are out of the Universe.
Imo, it's arrogant of itty bitty humans, existing on this speck in our Solar System called Planet Earth, which is a tiny speck in our Milky Way Galaxy, being, itself a tiny speck amongst all of the existing billions of galaxies, etc, to think that theirs is the highest level of existence existing in this vast wonderful Universe.
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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 38 of 53 (630730)
08-27-2011 8:27 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by nlerd
08-26-2011 11:42 PM


Re: Inhabitants Of The Universe
nlerd writes:
I don't really get the arrogance thing but I could see how someone who believes that there is a higher power out there could see it.
It is humbling to admit accountability to a higher power and higher beings capable of doing good or harm to one's self. In Matthew 18:4, Jesus said, "Whoever will humble himself, as this little child will be greatest in the Kingdom of God."
nlerd writes:
Frankly I think its a bit arrogant for someone to believe that their personal "higher power" is the highest level of existence existing in this vast wonderful Universe.
It's all about intelligent design to explain all of the complexity, wonder and order which we observe in this vast wonderful Universe. There's just too much for chaos to naturally emerge into all by it's selfy, imo.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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