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Panda
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Message 230 of 301 (635879)
10-02-2011 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 225 by Coyote
10-02-2011 10:39 AM


Re: ITS CALLED BEING WRONG (again)
Coyote writes:
Could this be a matter of no written records prior to 6,000 years ago rather than the lack of speech?
But...but...NO!
Speech DID NOT exist before written records.
The first written words were in Hebrew.
Man saw these words and wondered what they said - SO HE SPOKE THEM OUT ALOUD!!
See!?
Written words first. THEN speech.
(Or maybe he spoke a word and thought:
"Jesus! This sounds important! I'll make a note of it in my bible...")
Well, whatever.
Either way: THERE WAS NO SPEECH OR WRITING BEFORE THE BIBLE!!
/poe

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Panda
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Message 234 of 301 (635937)
10-03-2011 6:26 AM
Reply to: Message 231 by IamJoseph
10-02-2011 9:43 PM


Re: ITS CALLED BEING WRONG (again)
IamJoseph writes:
Why are you shouting at me
It was a reply to Coyote.
IamJoseph writes:
Give us a name or a nation, a war, city, monument - anything older than 6000 which is hard copy instead of 'claims'.
There was no speech or writing before the bible!!
The bible was first!!
After that came writing and speech!!
Edited by Panda, : No reason given.

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Panda
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Message 237 of 301 (635946)
10-03-2011 8:01 AM
Reply to: Message 235 by IamJoseph
10-03-2011 6:44 AM


Re: ITS CALLED BEING WRONG (again)
IamJoseph writes:
How come the first alphabetical book is the Hebrew, before many mightier and older nations, and none appear elsewhere until centuries later?
That is what I said.
The bible was first.
There was NO writing before the bible.
The first alphabetical book is the Hebrew!

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Panda
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Message 241 of 301 (635962)
10-03-2011 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 239 by IamJoseph
10-03-2011 8:28 AM


Re: ITS CALLED BEING WRONG (again)
Panda writes:
The bible was first.
There was NO writing before the bible.
The first alphabetical book is the Hebrew!
IamJoseph writes:
I thought you were being sarcastic as most here do not agree with it, even when they cannot provide a counter.
So - you think the bible existed before writing existed?

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Panda
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Message 244 of 301 (636037)
10-03-2011 7:18 PM
Reply to: Message 243 by IamJoseph
10-03-2011 7:13 PM


Re: ITS CALLED BEING WRONG (again)
IamJoseph writes:
No, Hebrew is a late comer, Abraham appearing 1,200 years after the Pyramids and picture writings.
Ignore picture writings.
The bible was first.
The first alphabetical book is the Hebrew.
The bible existed before alphabetical writing existed, yes?

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Panda
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Message 246 of 301 (636053)
10-03-2011 7:57 PM
Reply to: Message 245 by IamJoseph
10-03-2011 7:35 PM


Re: ITS CALLED BEING WRONG (again)
IamJoseph writes:
When it comes to an alphabetical 'book', namely a multi-page continueing narrative, there is no question the first one was Hebrew: where are the Phoenecian/Sumerian books - those nations subsisted for upto a 1000 years after Israel emerged?
Epic of Gilgamesh?

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Panda
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Message 248 of 301 (636057)
10-03-2011 8:13 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by IamJoseph
10-03-2011 8:06 PM


Re: ITS CALLED BEING WRONG (again)
IamJ writes:
When it comes to an alphabetical 'book', namely a multi-page continueing narrative, there is no question the first one was Hebrew: where are the Phoenecian/Sumerian books - those nations subsisted for upto a 1000 years after Israel emerged?
Panda writes:
Epic of Gilgamesh?
IamJ writes:
Gilgamash is post-Mosaic.
It is older than any Hebrew document.

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Panda
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Message 251 of 301 (636062)
10-03-2011 8:41 PM
Reply to: Message 249 by IamJoseph
10-03-2011 8:29 PM


Re: ITS CALLED BEING WRONG (again)
IamJ writes:
Its not older and not alphabetical.
The line of text after the wiki quote you provided:
quote:
The "standard" Akkadian version, consisting of 12 tablets, was edited by Sin-liqe-unninni sometime between 1300 and 1000 BC and was found in the library of Ashurbanipal in Nineveh.
It is older and alphabetical is irrelevant.
The first book was not Hebrew.

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Panda
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Message 253 of 301 (636068)
10-03-2011 8:52 PM
Reply to: Message 252 by IamJoseph
10-03-2011 8:44 PM


Re: ITS CALLED BEING WRONG (again)
IamJ writes:
Only alphabeticals are referred to - otherwise the picture writings on the pyramids are of course older than Hebrew.
The pyramids are not books.
The Epic of Gilgamesh is a book.
And it is older than the Dead Sea Scrolls.
There is no reason to ignore cuneiform writing.
The Epic of Gilgamesh is older than any Hebrew document.
The oldest book is not written in Hebrew.

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Panda
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Message 257 of 301 (636074)
10-03-2011 9:18 PM
Reply to: Message 255 by IamJoseph
10-03-2011 9:04 PM


Re: ITS CALLED BEING WRONG (again)
IamJoseph writes:
But they are writings and predates the Hebrew. Thus only alphabetical writings are referrd to by me.
Why are alphabetical writings more important than cuneiform writings?
IamJoseph writes:
These are slabs of stone and called poems.
It is a multi-page continuing narrative.
IamJoseph writes:
There were made at different times,updated by knowledge already held.
The poems were. The tablets weren't.
Panda writes:
There is no reason to ignore cuneiform writing.
IamJoseph writes:
I do not, and agree they are much older than the Hebrew.
Then the oldest book is not Hebrew.
IamJoseph writes:
Have you never wondered why we do not have follow-up alphabetcal books from an older nation? I do.
Have you never wondered why there are not copies of the bible older that the Dead Sea scrolls?
What do you think happens to very old paper?
Edited by Panda, : No reason given.

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Panda
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Message 262 of 301 (636085)
10-03-2011 10:03 PM
Reply to: Message 259 by IamJoseph
10-03-2011 9:32 PM


Re: ITS CALLED BEING WRONG (again)
IamJ writes:
Have you never wondered why we do not have follow-up alphabetcal books from an older nation? I do.
Have you never wondered why there are not copies of the bible older that the Dead Sea scrolls?
What do you think happens to very old paper?
IamJ writes:
Although the Hebrew bible is new in the ancient world, it remains the first/oldest 'alphabetical' book, which I see as a mystery.
What is so important about alphabetical writing?

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Panda
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Posts: 2688
From: UK
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Message 267 of 301 (636100)
10-03-2011 11:41 PM
Reply to: Message 264 by IamJoseph
10-03-2011 10:22 PM


Re: ITS CALLED BEING WRONG (again)
IamJ writes:
Alphabetical writings is a threshold changer
Please provide evidence of this.

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Panda
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Message 268 of 301 (636101)
10-03-2011 11:44 PM
Reply to: Message 265 by IamJoseph
10-03-2011 10:32 PM


Re: ITS CALLED BEING WRONG (again)
Two simple questions....
Have you never wondered why there are not copies of the bible older that the Dead Sea scrolls?
What do you think happens to very old paper?

...but too difficult for you to answer.

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Panda
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Posts: 2688
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Message 298 of 301 (640627)
11-11-2011 5:11 AM
Reply to: Message 297 by IamJoseph
11-11-2011 12:38 AM


Re: Pristine Monotheism
IamJ writes:
can the deity be larger or smaller than the scientific lab vase?
Yes.

If I were you
And I wish that I were you
All the things I'd do
To make myself turn blue

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Panda
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From: UK
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Message 300 of 301 (640631)
11-11-2011 5:50 AM
Reply to: Message 299 by IamJoseph
11-11-2011 5:29 AM


Re: Pristine Monotheism
IamJ writes:
But the vase is too small, dear Eliza, dear Eliza, too small.
Why are you trying to put your god in a vase?

If I were you
And I wish that I were you
All the things I'd do
To make myself turn blue

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