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Author Topic:   Do creationists actually understand their own arguments?
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Message 16 of 136 (631959)
09-04-2011 10:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Taz
09-03-2011 11:32 PM


Taz writes:
My question to you guys is do you think these "crackpots" even know what the hell they are talking about?
I find this question difficult to answer as I can't understand most of what they are saying.
Taz writes:
Or do you think they only have a vague sense of what they want to say and so they stumble through with non-sensical sentences and jibberish?
It does often feel like they only have a weak grasp of what they are trying to say - but I can't be certain.
And, after reading some of Dawn's comments, it is clear to me that Dawn continues to refuse to believe that his prose is frequently nonsensical.
Instead he says: "My first guess is that you actually do understand you simply have no response." when his first guess should have been: "My English is faulty."
Then he says: "I would suggest you put forward arguments instead of hiding behind false pretense[sic]." rather than accepting that his English is abysmal.
I have asked him many times why his English is so bad, but he either ignores the question or tells me to stop threatening him.
But I don't think that being a creationist causes the problem.
I think there is something else that causes their posts to be nonsense.
What I find a little sad is that English is often their native tongue.

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Message 20 of 136 (631969)
09-04-2011 10:47 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by dwise1
09-04-2011 10:32 PM


dwise1 writes:
Is that a conscious or subconcious choice on his part? Hard to say for sure, but it does appear deliberate.
I agree that some of Dawn's nonsense is intentional - but not all of it.
But I don't understand the point of pretending to write gibberish.
You don't win the debate if everyone ends up staring at you as if you are mad.
Whereas I don't think that the likes of IamJ and CD7 are intentionally 'muddying the water'.
I don't read any deceit or disingenuousness in their posts.

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Message 32 of 136 (632024)
09-05-2011 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by caffeine
09-05-2011 10:23 AM


caffeine writes:
but might be because he's not a native speaker
IamJ has repeatedly stated that English is his main/only language.

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Message 43 of 136 (632182)
09-06-2011 8:40 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by Taz
09-05-2011 8:32 PM


Taz writes:
I have no idea how you could interpret that to mean I asserted that you guys cannot understand each other.
I think DB was referring to "we" as in "evolutions and creationists" not we as in "creationists".
Granted, that does add weight to Percy's claim that non-creationists on this board have trouble understanding creationists like DB and visa versa.
(I still contend that the lack of ability in English shown by the likes of DB et al is not caused by their creationism or limited solely to creationists.)
Edited by Panda, : tweak
Edited by Panda, : typo

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Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Message 99 of 136 (633979)
09-17-2011 6:23 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by Buzsaw
09-17-2011 6:12 PM


Re: Cherry Picked Faults
Buzsaw writes:
Out of context it means whatever the definitions of the words mean. In context it relates to the context. Read the context thoughtfully, and go figure how the words relate to the context.
It would have been quicker for you to have replied with "I don't know." as you clearly don't.
Percy writes:
he is able to make perfectly understandable but completely nonsensical statements in perfect English.
*nods*
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Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Message 101 of 136 (633981)
09-17-2011 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by Buzsaw
09-17-2011 6:30 PM


Re: Irony or bollocks?
Buzsaw writes:
Larni, it appears that you have juxtaposed my statement with that on Dawn Bertot or someone else. I recognize the first paragraph as mine but the rest from someone else.
Had you linked the quote for clarification, perhaps your message could be comprehended
...or it could be Larni's signature.
Edited by Panda, : No reason given.

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Message 104 of 136 (633985)
09-17-2011 7:37 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by Larni
09-17-2011 7:14 PM


Re: Irony or bollocks?
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Edited by Panda, : .

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Message 111 of 136 (634007)
09-18-2011 7:01 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by Larni
09-17-2011 8:20 PM


Really?
Larni writes:
Thanks, fellas!
So...Buz thought it appropriate to down-vote a post where you expressed gratitude to the people that gave formatting advice.
I think he is only seeing what he expects to see.

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Message 127 of 136 (638234)
10-20-2011 5:10 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Dr Adequate
10-20-2011 10:09 AM


Dr. A writes:
While citing IamJoseph here is about as sporting as shooting a large fish in a small barrel, I thought that this magnificent contribution should not go unrecognized.
Here's my new definition of science:
'THE DINNER TABLE IS READY FOR THE GUESTS'.
I was considering having it as my signature.

If I were you
And I wish that I were you
All the things I'd do
To make myself turn blue

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Message 131 of 136 (640119)
11-07-2011 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by Phat
11-07-2011 11:28 AM


Re: Rational Creationists
@3:35 - he says the 'C' word!!

If I were you
And I wish that I were you
All the things I'd do
To make myself turn blue

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Message 133 of 136 (640123)
11-07-2011 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by Larni
11-07-2011 11:48 AM


Re: Rational Creationists
Larni writes:
He goes on a bit, don't he?
As far as I can tell, he spends 23 minutes asking questions and giving no answers and in the last 7 minutes he reads out an article written by George Wald in 1954 and then says that George Wald retracted it. Not sure why. (I think it was a twisted Argument From Authority, where the fact that he retracts his original statement lends weight to his final statement. *shrug*)
He then says that the origin of life requires an external force (e.g. electricity) and that this means that there must be a god.
Larni writes:
Mind, I stopped listening after he said 'cunt'.
The film is edited ... but they decided to keep that bit in.
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Edited by Panda, : No reason given.

If I were you
And I wish that I were you
All the things I'd do
To make myself turn blue

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