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Author Topic:   Intelligent design. Philosophy of ignorance.
Buzsaw
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Message 92 of 301 (368900)
12-10-2006 10:24 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by DrJones*
12-10-2006 9:36 PM


Re: Who Designed The Designer?
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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 108 of 301 (369171)
12-11-2006 10:18 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by DrJones*
12-10-2006 10:41 PM


Re: Who Designed The Designer?
DJ writes:
So you concede that:
a. ID is merely creationism in disguise
2. "design requires a designer" is not a true statement.
1. ID is certainly not a disguise of some avowed creationists, Jar, for example. Creationism, as I understand it does imply intelligent design. Our scientists do factor this in scientific hypothesis to whatever degree any given project would indicate.
2. This is relative, I suppose to one's ideology. You people, of course, believe design all came via purely natural processes which would include intelligence of living things. I would not agree that the significant amount of design that is observed is possible from purely natural means. I believe when most folks refer to ID though, they are speaking of an intelligent supreme intelligence having designed observed things having design.
Edited by Buzsaw, : fix error

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 284 of 301 (372166)
12-25-2006 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 280 by GDR
12-24-2006 5:20 PM


Re: Unscientific methodology of acquired knowledge.
GDR writes:
I am all for using the scientific method to find out anything that we can but I believe that we can also gain knowledge through the non-scientific.
I have gained a significant amount of knowledge regarding history, the present and future events by a lifelong intensive study of Biblical prophecy. This is not science perse. Nevertheless it involves research, evidence and observation as does the scientific method.
I study and observe history and current events. I become familiar with claims the prophets make. I then analyze and assemble the observations of history and current event to assertain as to whether they satisfy the claims of the Biblical prophets.
I also observe the claims of other alleged prophetic sources, some of which contradict Biblical prophets for comparison with the Biblical prophets to assertain as to whether the phenomenon of fulfilled prophecy is unique to the Bible and to compare other sources with the Bible.
I began this lifelong study about the time of the emergence of the nation of Israel as per the Biblical prophets. This is one of the events that originally got me interested in this source of knowledge.
I conclude by emphatically stating that this is a viable unscientific source of knowledge acquired outside of the science method.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 286 of 301 (372173)
12-25-2006 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 285 by RAZD
12-25-2006 11:51 AM


Gaps & Unknows.
RAZD writes:
Or have we concluded that ID is based on ignorance and the maintenance of ignorance and logical fallacy in order to fill the gaps with some hypothetical designer instead of "we don't know"?
Those problematic gaps and unknowns seem to factor in all of the philosophies and sciences and not necessarily so unique to ID.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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