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Author Topic:   Petition to get buz full access again.
Buzsaw
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Message 17 of 57 (632877)
09-10-2011 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by fearandloathing
09-05-2011 2:19 PM


fearandloathing writes:

As long as he follows admin/mods requests.

That's the crux of the matter, Fear. Admin requires evidence in science but in spite of the Free Online Dictionary definition he adamantly excludes anything supernatural as having possible evidence. Nothing relating to the supernatural may be considered in science relates to evidence as he sees it.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 18 of 57 (632879)
09-10-2011 9:54 PM


Thanks
Thanks to Taz and others who have come forward to advocate for what, IMO, would make for a more lively and interesting board.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

  
Buzsaw
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Message 20 of 57 (632890)
09-10-2011 11:48 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by jar
09-10-2011 9:54 PM


Jar writes:

Specifically what definition is that Buz?

You should know what it includes and what it excludes from The Free Online Dictionary. , Jar.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 21 of 57 (632891)
09-11-2011 12:18 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Butterflytyrant
09-07-2011 10:46 AM


Re: I would let him back
Butterflytyrant writes:

I pinched this from one of the other thread advising of why Buz was restrained, I am pretty sure it was from Admin but I have closed the window -

quote:
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Buz lost his permissions in the science forums because of his views about what constitutes valid evidence differs from that of science. That means he can no longer discuss science topics related to the creation/evolution debate at this site, at least not until he is able to reach a consensus with other members here about the nature of scientific evidence.
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If Buz shows that he is incapable of doing this, then he would have blown his last chance.

I say let him back in.

It appears from this from Admin that before consideration he wants to know what EvC members consider the nature of scientific evidence to be by definition.

I'm not allowed to propose new topics. Perhaps someone else needs to propose one.

Does the Free Online Dictionary, which I cited, for example, include or exclude evidence of anything relating to the supernatural like physical historical events? Biblically related archeological research? Historically acclaimed fulfilled prophecy, etc?

Is researched evidence, not conclusive, but supportive to the existence of a supernatural a possibility?


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 38 of 57 (633172)
09-12-2011 10:02 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Adminnemooseus
09-12-2011 8:08 PM


Re: I favor letting Buz do "Great Debates"
Adminnemooseous writes:

I haven't privately communicated with Admin on this, but I'll plug it into this topic. I favor allowing Buz to do "Great Debates".
I (the non-admin mode) do intend to get back to my Buzsaw "Great Debate" (maybe tonight???).

ps - I also do intend to do the big "Whine List" message (probably not tonight).

Hi Adminnemooseous. Thank you. I cannot propose new topics. Does that mean that if someone submits a proposal to debate me that I can engage if I wish?

Since you're game, I'd rather debate further with you on this current matter of dating problems for creationism which you aired than to involve another members.

I have done some research on dating methodologies and some of the problems relative to them which might make for good debate fodder.

I began to respond to one of your comments up-thread from the last message, but business matters came up, preventing me from getting it up.

Looking forward to getting back into it, weighing in between other activities.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 39 of 57 (633173)
09-12-2011 10:13 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by crashfrog
09-12-2011 9:47 PM


Re: I favor letting Buz do "Great Debates"
Crashfrog writes:

.........Buz-style nonsense to spill over into other threads.

Hey, bud, your kind of nonsense makes sense to the secularistic ideology of the majority constituency here, but some of us peon creationists see your stuff as nonsense, spilling into the threads.

The majority of Americans are theistic, including no small number of scientists.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 41 of 57 (633180)
09-12-2011 10:49 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Rahvin
09-12-2011 3:10 PM


Rahvin writes:

I'd like to see Buz restored to full access.

Thanks Rahvin

My typical view is that the solution to bad/ inappropriate/wrong speech is more speech, not censorship.

Mmm, Your implication; bad speech. That's what debates are about; ideologies pitted against one another. What's cool for the goose may be bad for the gander.

Rahvin writes:

I know it can be tiring to have thread topics rehashed, and to have topics derailed.

Check out the off topic warnings (at large) by moderators. My guess is that Buz stuff gets no more than some of the others who never get taken to the woodshed by Admin.

Rahvin writes:

How many Creationists have successfully posted evidence in support of claims in a science forum?

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha; LOL, Ravin on any of you people ever acknowledging evidence for anything even remotely related to the supernatural.

Your heads are in the sand. You don't want to see the evidence.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 42 of 57 (633181)
09-12-2011 10:54 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by crashfrog
09-12-2011 10:16 PM


Re: I favor letting Buz do "Great Debates"
crashfrog writes:

.......the majority of Americans are also total morons

.

Mmm, considering the last Presidential election, I guess I have to agree.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 43 of 57 (633182)
09-12-2011 11:10 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by rueh
09-12-2011 2:18 PM


Re: What do the lurkers say?
rueh writes:

..........collaberating evidence.

Collaberated evidence doesn't cut it with me.

I prefer corroborating evidences, so as to lend the maximum support to any given hypothesis.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 45 of 57 (633588)
09-14-2011 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Admin
09-11-2011 7:46 AM


Re: Empirical Evidence
Admin writes:

my actual position on scientific evidence is that it be empirical. Real events, natural or otherwise, leave behind evidence apparent to our senses

Your position pretty much matches The Free Online Dictionary definition, with one problematic exception; that theorized evidence is not empirical.

quote:

1.
a. Relying on or derived from observation or experiment: empirical results that supported the hypothesis.
b. Verifiable or provable by means of observation or experiment: empirical laws.
2. Guided by practical experience and not theory, especially in medicine

Fossils Are Dated By Theory

quote:
FOSSILS ARE DATED BY A THEORY—But now comes the catch: How can evolutionist geologists know what dates to apply to those index fossils? The answer to this question is a theory! Here is how they do it:

Darwinists theorize which animals came first—and when they appeared on the scene. And then they date the rocks according to their theory—not according to the wide mixture of fossil creatures in it—but by assigning dates—based on their theory—to certain "index" fossils.

—That is a gigantic, circular-reasoning hoax!

"Fossils provide the only historical, documentary evidence that life has evolved from simpler to more and more complex forms."—*Carl O. Dunbar, Historical Geology, 2nd edition (1960), p. 47.

The conclusions about which fossils came first are based on the assumptions of evolution. Rock strata are studied, a few index fossils are located (when they can be found at all), and each stratum is then given a name. Since the strata are above, below, and in-between one another, with most of the strata missing in any one location,—just how can the theorists possibly "date" each stratum? They do it by applying evolutionary speculation to what they imagine those dates should be.

This type of activity classifies as interesting fiction, but it surely should not be regarded as science. The truth is this: It was the evolutionary theory that was used to date the fossils; it was not the strata and it was not "index fossils."

"Vertebrate paleontologists have relied upon ‘stage of evolution’ as the criterion for determining the chronologic relationships of faunas. Before establishment of physical dates, evolutionary progression was the best method for dating fossiliferous strata."—*J.F. Evernden, *O.E. Savage, *G.H. Curtis, and *G.T. James, "K/A Dates and the Cenozoic Mammalian Chronology of North America," in American Journal of Science, February 1964, p. 166.


(abe: It appears that what you are requiring from me is what you do not apply to yourself and theorized evidence which others cite in the science forums.)

Edited by Buzsaw, : Add comment.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 48 of 57 (633597)
09-14-2011 11:47 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by GDR
09-14-2011 11:22 PM


Buz's Science Paradigm
GDR writes:

I don't know enough science to critique what anyone has to say including Buz. In the science forum I just ask questions and figure that there is some slight chance I'll be able to partially comprehend the answers.
However it does occur to me that if Buz's posts on science are something less than accurate it isn't always necessary to argue with him about it. It is possible to ignore him.

I vote to let him participate, and suggest that if anyone finds his posts falling short of their scientific standard then it might be an idea to not waste their time with it.

GDR, keep an eye on my debate with Moose regarding fossil dating. I debate the true creationist POV. Of course you all think my science is inaccurate. Why should any evolutionist agree with someone else's hypotheses?

You should not judge my posts on the basis of the accuracy of them in the views of members debating on a totally different ideology about science. I will be applying some sensible arguments supportive to the creationist paradigm with Moose regarding fossil dating problems.

Edited by Buzsaw, : eliminate word


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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