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Author Topic:   What is an ID proponent's basis of comparison? (edited)
NosyNed
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Message 192 of 315 (517264)
07-30-2009 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by Fallen
07-30-2009 10:10 AM


Looks like something else
Paraphrasing Dembski, if a creature looks like a dog, smells like a dog, feels like a dog, and pants like a dog, the burden of evidence lies on the person who says it isn't a dog. The same logic applies to remarkable machines like the bacterial flagellum - the burden of evidence lies with those who want to deny it's design.
see Distinguishing "designs" for more details.
But the 'designs' we see in nature (the dog for one) do NOT look like things that we know are designed by the only intelligence we have at hand to study.
It is looking at them that tells us that based on everything we know they (flagella etc.) are NOT designed.

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Message 251 of 315 (517999)
08-03-2009 5:06 PM
Reply to: Message 249 by traderdrew
08-03-2009 4:09 PM


Moving Goalposts
"Moving the goalposts" is a debate tactic that is not intellectually honest.
It means that a debater may issue a challenge, e.g.,
"Show me a case where a new species has been seen to arise."
This is shown and the debater replies with:
"Ah, but that is still a dog/rat/worm or whatever." They are now asking for something at a higher taxon than species.
In other words the original requirement is met and instead of acknowledging that the debater "moves the goal posts" to some other requirement. This is a very common practice in the evolution vs creation debate by the creationists.
It is intellectually dishonest.

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