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rueh
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Message 14 of 33 (633545)
09-14-2011 3:41 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Dr Adequate
09-13-2011 5:55 AM


Hello Dr. Adequate.
Dr. Adequate writes:
Well, what functions could the universe serve? It is not a toaster or a hatrack or a lawnmower or something else with an obvious function.
How would we know? Can we, from our limited perspective of the universe really rule out that the universe has no function? Would a quark that is part of a toaster know that it is not part of a toaster?

'Qui non intelligit, aut taceat, aut discat'
The mind is like a parachute. It only works when it is open.-FZ
The industrial revolution, flipped a bitch on evolution.-NOFX

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rueh
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Message 17 of 33 (633630)
09-15-2011 7:26 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Dr Adequate
09-14-2011 7:04 PM


dr Adequate writes:
I shall change my mind if I ever see a slice of bread the size of the Local Group.
That's a good one. Seriously though. How can we rule out function for the universe, if we cannot view it from a total perspective. To me it seems that most examples of a thing with function takes an outside perspective to see what it is that it functions as. For the universe, if it did have a function, you would also need an "outside" perspective through space and time. I just don't think we can arbitrarily rule out function for the universe, even if we could never know what that function is.
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'Qui non intelligit, aut taceat, aut discat'
The mind is like a parachute. It only works when it is open.-FZ
The industrial revolution, flipped a bitch on evolution.-NOFX

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rueh
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Message 18 of 33 (633634)
09-15-2011 8:26 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by New Cat's Eye
09-14-2011 4:14 PM


Well to be fair, he did say an obvious function...
True he did say that. I just don't think that we can rule out that God's motivation for creation could be to create a universe with a function, just because that function is not obvious. It's not obvious to the cog in a machine that it is part of the machine.

'Qui non intelligit, aut taceat, aut discat'
The mind is like a parachute. It only works when it is open.-FZ
The industrial revolution, flipped a bitch on evolution.-NOFX

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rueh
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Message 21 of 33 (633659)
09-15-2011 11:41 AM
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09-15-2011 10:02 AM


Yes I see how I misread what Dr. Adequate was saying. When I read his first sentence it seemed like he was suggesting since the function wasn't obvious that it did not have a function. The possibilities he provides following that though would be examples of a universe with function. So I see how he is still suggesting a functional universe. My apologies to Dr. Adequate for not understanding his point.
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'Qui non intelligit, aut taceat, aut discat'
The mind is like a parachute. It only works when it is open.-FZ
The industrial revolution, flipped a bitch on evolution.-NOFX

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rueh
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Message 24 of 33 (634423)
09-21-2011 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by Butterflytyrant
09-21-2011 11:06 AM


Hello Butterflytyrant,
Butterflytyrant writes:
I wonder how humanity would handle itself if we were to discover that we were actually created for some rather mundane function. Dr A's suggestions would probably leave us fairly deflated
Mundane functions can have a larger impact when viewed in totality I guess.
Butterflytyrant writes:
Here we are, thinking we are pretty grand, then we find out that we are in fact, just an ornament. Or a reality TV show. We would probably find out if we were cancelled.
I think most people have a humble view of humanity whether they are atheistic or theistic. For the atheist it is hard to view the totality of the universe and place any special connection to a tiny planet in one backwoods section of one galaxy. For the theist it is humility placed in respect to God. Either one leaves humanity as a very small piece to a very big puzzle. Of course there are exceptions to everything. That is just how I view it.
Butterflytyrant writes:
It would certainly deflate some egos if we were the equivelant of a high school science project.
I guess that depends on what grade we receive for the experiment

'Qui non intelligit, aut taceat, aut discat'
The mind is like a parachute. It only works when it is open.-FZ
The industrial revolution, flipped a bitch on evolution.-NOFX
Opening your mind to imagination shouldn't close it to reality.

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