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Chuck77
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Message 196 of 207 (638420)
10-22-2011 4:06 AM
Reply to: Message 194 by Dr Adequate
10-22-2011 3:58 AM


Re: Supernatural
Some sort of little hint like that would be useful for all of us, I feel.
Instead of writing notes in the sky with the Stars (big dipper?) how about He uses me to tell you about the Gospel and saving power of Jesus? That is pretty simple and to the point, isn't it?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 197 of 207 (638422)
10-22-2011 4:13 AM
Reply to: Message 196 by Chuck77
10-22-2011 4:06 AM


Re: Supernatural
Instead of writing notes in the sky with the Stars (big dipper?) how about He uses me to tell you about the Gospel and saving power of Jesus? That is pretty simple and to the point, isn't it?
But it's not noticeably more supernatural than a Muslim telling me about the Koran.

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Chuck77
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Message 198 of 207 (638423)
10-22-2011 4:27 AM
Reply to: Message 197 by Dr Adequate
10-22-2011 4:13 AM


Re: Supernatural
But it's not noticeably more supernatural than a Muslim telling me about the Koran.
How do you know that? You havn't even begun the journey INTO the supernatural yet. You are just looking for signs first. Im your sign right now. You can study me.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 199 of 207 (638427)
10-22-2011 5:05 AM
Reply to: Message 198 by Chuck77
10-22-2011 4:27 AM


Re: Supernatural
How do you know that? You havn't even begun the journey INTO the supernatural yet. You are just looking for signs first. Im your sign right now. You can study me.
I can. You aren't doing anything supernatural. You're posting on a website. Anyone can do that. I can do that.

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Chuck77
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Message 200 of 207 (638430)
10-22-2011 6:00 AM
Reply to: Message 199 by Dr Adequate
10-22-2011 5:05 AM


Re: Supernatural
You're posting on a website.
I admit, you fooled me. I thought for a second we were having a discussion. I fell for it. Nevermind then.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 201 of 207 (638431)
10-22-2011 6:03 AM
Reply to: Message 200 by Chuck77
10-22-2011 6:00 AM


Re: Supernatural
I admit, you fooled me. I thought for a second we were having a discussion.
The two are not mutually exclusive. You are having a discussion with me by posting on a website.
But this is not supernatural.

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Panda
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Message 202 of 207 (638434)
10-22-2011 7:04 AM
Reply to: Message 201 by Dr Adequate
10-22-2011 6:03 AM


Re: Supernatural
Dr. A writes:
The two are not mutually exclusive. You are having a discussion with me by posting on a website.
But this is not supernatural.
I think you'll find that Chuckles couldn't find an answer to your request for a way to differentiate him from any other poster (let alone a supernatural poster) and so he instead cried foul.
Edited by Panda, : No reason given.

If I were you
And I wish that I were you
All the things I'd do
To make myself turn blue

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Chuck77
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Message 203 of 207 (638437)
10-22-2011 7:25 AM
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10-22-2011 7:04 AM


Re: Supernatural
Deleted. Taken to Discussion problems forum.
Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.
Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.

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Son
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Message 204 of 207 (638443)
10-22-2011 7:49 AM
Reply to: Message 200 by Chuck77
10-22-2011 6:00 AM


Re: Supernatural
You know very well what Dr.A meant. He pointed out that there's nothing supernatural in what you are saying. Anyone can make supernatural claims on the Internet, it does not however constitute a base for studying the supernatural. For example, if I told you I've got an invisible and undetectable cat that is living in my house, how would you study the supernatural from those claims?
That's pretty dishonnest to take a short phrase out of context and make fun of it instead of addressing the point.
Edited by Son, : No reason given.
Edited by Son, : No reason given.

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Larni
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Message 205 of 207 (638447)
10-22-2011 9:22 AM
Reply to: Message 193 by Chuck77
10-22-2011 3:41 AM


You did all of that yourself. You got yourself through the hard times and it is a damn shame you refuse to take credit for it.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
Moreover that view is a blatantly anti-relativistic one. I'm rather inclined to think that space being relative to time and time relative to location should make such a naive hankering to pin-point an ultimate origin of anything, an aspiration that is not even wrong.
Well, Larni, let's say I much better know what I don't want to say than how exactly say what I do.

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Rrhain
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Message 206 of 207 (638492)
10-22-2011 7:19 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by Straggler
10-15-2011 10:07 AM


Straggler writes:
quote:
Given that we know the cause of thunder and are even able to predict where and when it will occur with some accuracy are you really saying that Thor cannot be discounted?
Well, not completely discounted, but knocked pretty far off his pedestal. It still might be Thor that creates lightning, but our ability to have lightning happen at our will means Thor is subject to our desires.
Thus, we are gods to Thor. When we command him to send lightning, he must obey.
Yes, it is possible that Thor is not completely under our control and every now and then throws sparks at his whim, but that does not stop us from having the ability to cause lightning to strike. If Thor is what causes lightning and not some "natural" process, then he is beholden to us.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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Rahvin
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Message 207 of 207 (638647)
10-24-2011 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by Chuck77
10-22-2011 1:31 AM


Re: Supernatural
You reap what you sow. IOW, what goes around comes around. That is SuperNatural Rahvin. That is not chance, it's not natural, and, it can be studied. It's happened in my life numerous times. It's a spiritual law God set in motion. There is no other way to explain it. It's a SN law.
But this is absolutely and undeniable false, Chuck.
Rain falls on the just and the unjust alike.
What goes around does not come around. Giving generously to charity will not protect me from being laid off. Feeding the hungry will not protect me from an earthquake, or a tornado.
Suggesting that "what goes around comes around" means that, when something bad happens, that person deserved it because of some prior wickedness. But we know that people are murdered, people die or are horribly maimed in car accidents, people get cancer, loved ones are taken, and natural disasters happen every single day. What horrible wickedness did the victims of Hurricane Katrina or the 2008 tsunami commit to deserve such a fate? All of them deserved it? What terrible act "came around" for the victims of the Haiti earthquake?
What of the architects of the Great Recession, the banking executives and managers who orchestrated the subprime lending crisis and scammed the entire economic system with their designed-to-fail derivatives? Not a single one of them is in jail, none of them have been struck by lightning, and most of them have continued to receive multi-million-dollar bonuses as their victims reap the consequences in their stead.
What misfortune befell the Bush and Obama administration officials who authorized, committed, and continued institutionalized torture and indefinite imprisonment? What "came around" to those who lied to perpetrate the war in Iraq, who are responsible for thousands of innocent Iraqi dead?
What terrible retribution has been handed out for the Catholic pedophile priests, who molested and raped children in their care and were protected from prosecution by the Church, who are even now still avoiding prosecution in most cases?
The concept of "karma" is a myth, Chuck.
Or do you claim instead that all accounts will be settled in the afterlife, where conveniently we cannot check?

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