Tea Party Questions

I'm wondering if there are any conservatives/tea party people on the forum that can have an adult discussion about the tea party's position on various issues.I've noticed some rather jarring conflicts in what I'm hearing from candidates and the crowd. I literally can't understand where they stand and why they take that position.I've tried having this conversation before but all I seem to get is Beck inspired rants about how "liberals" are evil.

Well that depends.I'm under the impression that the Tea Party and the Christian Coalition are two different (maybe overlapping) groups within the Republican Party.None of my questions are directly related to religion, but if we discover that only "good Christians" can be Tea Partiers and that "atheist liberals" are responsible for all the problems in society, then yes, the conversation with inevitably turn to whether or not religion is a valid excuse to blame all of things you don't like in the world on a group of people who aren't your brand of faerie tale.Here's what I want to address about the Tea Party.- The Tea Party is anti-Obamacare. One of their loudest objections was "death panels".
- The same Tea Party is cheering the death of an uninsured man at the debates.
- The Tea Party claims to be pro-troops.
- The Tea Party booed a Marine who admitted he was gay and has served honorably.
- The Tea Party solution is to "re-instate don't ask/don't tell" and their reasoning behind this is "it's nobody's business". However, the CURRENT system is "nobody's business" and re-instating "don't ask/don't tell" is making it the Army's business if they catch you.
- The Tea Party claims to be a "grass roots" organization, but one of their criticisms of Obama is that he was a "community leader"
- The Tea Party claims to be for the little guy, but they are complaining that the unemployeeds, the working poor and people in life long comas don't pay enough in taxes.
- The Tea Party thinks they pay too much in taxes so they fight policies that would cut their taxes.
- The Tea Party is mad about the Wall Street bailout so they want to cut regulations so that the exact same problem can happen again.
- The Tea Party hates the EPA. Is it that they hate the Environment or the idea of Protecting it?Frankly, it seems to me that there is one things that answers all of this disparity.It looks like the Tea Party doesn't have the first idea WHY they believe what they believe.It looks like the Tea Party has been fed their belief system by people higher up who have a very different agenda than what the Tea Party rank and file seem to think they are fighting for.Can you provide the REAL thinking behind any of the above?I mean aside from the obvious stuff like "Jesus hates fags" or "Stupid Niggers have Ruined America".I want to have someone explain the 'logic' behind some of these positions.

A lot of the Tea Party rhetoric can be traced back to the Koch brothers - who funded and founded the Tea Party or to FoxNews/Murdoch.Given that these three individuals are billionaires, and one of the Tea Parties big thing is how unfair it is to tax billionaires at all, I think there's your first thread to "agenda" right there.

The problem is that their version of "personal responsibility" is _other person's_ responsibility.If you take an average tea partier and have their child get sick, they are going to take that child to the emergency room. They are going to run up a huge bill that they can't cover. They are then going to either declare bankruptcy or complain about how the health care system is "unfair" to the little guy.Here's a terrific example of Tea Party "responsibility". This candidate ran opposing Obamacare, criticizing this exact policy, then when he was facing a month without health care he bitches that he doesn't have the option he ran AGAINST.From my perspective, this is EXACTLY the problem with the Tea Party. They literally are opposing things they want and complaining when they don't get them.They cheer the death of a man who can't afford insurance and bitch when they themselves aren't covered.

Well, the inconsistency would be that they also complain that someone is being allowed to pee in their corn flakes and blame the "damn liberals" for allowing that to happen.Also, American Civil Liberties Union.
They hate America?
They hate Civil Liberties?If it was American Civil Liberties Militia would they cheer it even if it held the same positions?

And what I am saying is that the Tea Partiers are hot to trot about OTHER people having personal responsibility, but give one of them cancer and they'll be bitching about their lack of medical care.

Those children are American Citizens.You are saying that an American Citizen's rights should be determined by the whether or not some other American Citizen was responsible or not.That's ridiculous.A 5 year old child with an illness can not be held responsible for his illness. The child of a coal miner has the same right to healthcare as the child of a stock broker.Blaming the child for being born to coal miners is ridiculous.

Actually a large section of the hispanic community (the voters) are extremely conservative about immigration.Those hispanics who went through legally, or were born to parents who went through legally, really hate the illegals.

Aside from not being true, it's also irrelevant.Whether or not the coal miner lived up to his potential is an issue that HE needs to deal with.The American Citizen offspring of that coal miner is not "irresponsible" for having been born to poor parents.You might as well execute all offspring of a murderer because "he should have known better".

Again, you are saying that a 5yr old child doesn't deserve healthcare because it doesn't have the same level of work experience that you have and doesn't earn the same salary.How much harder can a 5 year old work?

Here's a tip: Don't use a term if you don't know what it means. I makes you sound like an idiot.

Yes, and issues of immigration are typically issues involving illegal immigration.So, you have legal hispanics voting about illegal hispanics.

You were implying that the children who are American citizens should not receive healthcare if their parents didn't live up to your standard of being "personally responsible".It's not a non sequitor to call you out on that bullshit.You don't punish a 5 year old for something his parents do or don't do. Here's a tip: You're an asshole. You are attacking children. I don't have to spin shit.

Yes, because you attacking innocent children really requires a whole lot of work for me to vilify you.Give me a break.Time to grow a fucking nutsack and own up to your position.You want a 5 year old child to get sick and die because his father didn't get a good enough job.It's YOUR argument. Don't be a fucking pansy and back track now. Own it or disown it.Pretending you didn't just make the argument just makes you look like a fucking retard.

Typical tea party mentality.You call me an asshole, it's okay.
I return the favor, I should be suspended.Oh, wait, am I "vilifying" you again? Are you go to go cry to an admin."Waaaa! Nuggin is being mean to me! He called me things I called him. How dare he! Punish him for daring to do what I do!"Give me a fucking break. You are a child.