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Coyote
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Message 46 of 61 (636258)
10-04-2011 11:34 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by IamJoseph
10-04-2011 11:25 PM


Gibberish
Try again, with more content and less gibberish.
You really should try and address the point I brought up in two posts now. It renders your figures absolutely incorrect.
Unless you can actually address that point there is no use in continuing.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 47 of 61 (636259)
10-04-2011 11:38 PM
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10-04-2011 11:34 PM


Re: Gibberish
Its been addressed and I'm not budging from that point. I suspect that even if I laid down a 75% swing to gay you would still reject the math as gibberish. There is a point of no return - face upto it.
Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.

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Message 48 of 61 (636260)
10-05-2011 12:10 AM
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10-04-2011 11:38 PM


Re: Gibberish
Its been addressed and I'm not budging from that point. I suspect that even if I laid down a 75% swing to gay you would still reject the math as gibberish. There is a point of no return - face upto it.
You have presented no math beyond that one simple three-line post.
I demolished it easily, as the way you posted it did not include multiple births.
Either come up with something new or give it up. You're only digging the hole deeper.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 49 of 61 (636262)
10-05-2011 1:00 AM
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10-05-2011 12:10 AM


Re: Gibberish
Multiple births are generic and accounted for; this and any other issues do not impact once negative growth is surpassed by the time factor. There after there is only a diminishing result to point zero.

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Message 50 of 61 (636264)
10-05-2011 2:51 AM


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Larni
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Message 51 of 61 (636265)
10-05-2011 3:10 AM
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10-04-2011 7:20 PM


And no one on the planet has anything good to say about a Brumie accent.
But I do remember some research about how attractive people found UK accents; this was was in an absolute sense, rather than about relative proximity. I'll try and find it.
Edited by Larni, : Staying on topic

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
Moreover that view is a blatantly anti-relativistic one. I'm rather inclined to think that space being relative to time and time relative to location should make such a naive hankering to pin-point an ultimate origin of anything, an aspiration that is not even wrong.
Well, Larni, let's say I much better know what I don't want to say than how exactly say what I do.

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Chuck77
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Message 52 of 61 (636501)
10-07-2011 1:03 AM
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10-02-2011 7:04 PM


Biology?
Taz writes:
I jokingly asked my wife why she didn't marry him, and her answer was "ewww, it's like marrying my brother"
Freeking lie. We have no idea what she really thinks. Do you actually really think she's going to say "well, you know hun, I really wanted to but he's outta my league, and I ended up with you, but hell, who wouldn't want to be with him".???
Of course not! Why the hell should we take HER word for it? What's HE say ABOUT IT?? Why give her all the chips? Women are often "selected" and not doing the "selecting". Maybe she wasn't selected or persued?
Later that day, I asked the in-law and her answer was basically the same.
Yeah, no sheet.
Intrigued by both of their answers, I'd since asked a dozen other females and they all gave the same answer.
Do you really think these women are being honest?? NO FREEKING WAY. Women are insecure. Women don't want us thinking they are insecure. NO woman is going to say well, I just wasn't what he wanted. Women will settle for men much more than we will settle for women. Most women settle and don't think they deserve a guy like the one you decribed. They are lying.
I asked them if they'd date and marry a man who they grew up with in the neighborhood if he was the perfect man of their dream, and they all gave me the same "ewww, that's nasty" answer.
BS. Total BS. Are you kidding me? EVERY woman would want that! The problem is few women have that oppurtunity or he didn't want her and now it's to late. They aren't going to admit any of this to anyone, but deep down they know. What good is it to dwell on what didn't happen? Or that the "dream" didn't come true?
Have I stumbled upon an biological instinct in females to diversify the gene pool by having an instinctual negative reaction to mating a male that's near by?
No you havn't. You've stumbled upon your wife and the other women you interviewed lying to your face as to not insult you or admit to themselves that the dream got away from them and there is nothing they can do about it now. Their in denial.
Creationist views are also welcomed
Thank you. That's my creationist view. Nothing to do with biology, IMO.
Taz, this of course is just(of course) a hypothesis. Your wife may very well be telling you the truth. Im sure your a great guy and a much better catch than that shmuck who was walking his dog.
This is what I think tho, and that most women aren't living the dream. There are some that are, and they are happy and couldn't see marrying anyone else. Women want to marry their best friend.
And if their best friend happens to be a great looking guy from the hood that they know so well that is every woman's dream, do you really think they are thinking "ewwwww"?

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Message 53 of 61 (636503)
10-07-2011 1:18 AM
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10-07-2011 1:03 AM


Re: Biology?
Cuckold writes:
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If I were you
And I wish that I were you
All the things I'd do
To make myself turn blue

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Taz
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Message 54 of 61 (636504)
10-07-2011 1:18 AM
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10-07-2011 1:03 AM


Re: Biology?
Chucky writes:
Women want to marry their best friend.
And if their best friend happens to be a great looking guy from the hood that they know so well that is every woman's dream, do you really think they are thinking "ewwwww"?
Haha, does this go with their gay best friend as well?

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Chuck77
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Message 55 of 61 (636506)
10-07-2011 1:26 AM
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10-07-2011 1:18 AM


Re: Biology?
does this go with their gay best friend as well?
Im sure the same rules apply, just different circumstances.

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Larni
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Message 56 of 61 (636519)
10-07-2011 5:33 AM
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10-07-2011 1:03 AM


Re: Biology?
Do you really think these women are being honest?? NO FREEKING WAY. Women are insecure. Women don't want us thinking they are insecure. NO woman is going to say well, I just wasn't what he wanted. Women will settle for men much more than we will settle for women. Most women settle and don't think they deserve a guy like the one you decribed. They are lying.
Are you being funny (in which case I don't get it) or are you being a fucking idiot?
Edited by Larni, : No reason given.
Edited by Larni, : No reason given.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
Moreover that view is a blatantly anti-relativistic one. I'm rather inclined to think that space being relative to time and time relative to location should make such a naive hankering to pin-point an ultimate origin of anything, an aspiration that is not even wrong.
Well, Larni, let's say I much better know what I don't want to say than how exactly say what I do.

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Tangle
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Message 57 of 61 (636617)
10-08-2011 11:37 AM


I can offer some research that may add some support to the idea. To be valid though we'd have to assume that there's more likelihood of dissimilar MHCs the farther away from your home group you are. Which seems reasonable.
quote:
Opposites attract -- how genetics influences humans to choose their mates
Vienna, Austria: New light has been thrown on how humans choose their partners, a scientist will tell the annual conference of the European Society of Human Genetics today (Monday May 25). Professor Maria da Graa Bicalho, head of the Immunogenetics and Histocompatibility Laboratory at the University of Parana, Brazil, says that her research had shown that people with diverse major histocompatibility complexes (MHCs) were more likely to choose each other as mates than those whose MHCs were similar, and that this was likely to be an evolutionary strategy to ensure healthy reproduction.
Females' preference for MHC dissimilar mates has been shown in many vertebrate species, including humans, and it is also known that MHC influences mating selection by preferences for particular body odours. The Brazilian team has been working in this field since 1998, and decided to investigate mate selection in the Brazilian population, while trying to uncover the biological significance of MHC diversity.
The scientists studied MHC data from 90 married couples, and compared them with 152 randomly-generated control couples. They counted the number of MHC dissimilarities among those who were real couples, and compared them with those in the randomly-generated 'virtual couples'. "If MHC genes did not influence mate selection", says Professor Bicalho, "we would have expected to see similar results from both sets of couples. But we found that the real partners had significantly more MHC dissimilarities than we could have expected to find simply by chance."
Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: MHC-dissimilar mating in Brazil

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Message 58 of 61 (636626)
10-08-2011 1:45 PM
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10-08-2011 11:37 AM


Welcome!
Welcome to EvC, Tangle!
This adds to the vague bits I posted above - smell having something to do with mating behavior in humans as well as white mice. I can imagine all sorts of research that could be done, but finding a population of undergrad students that would give up all artificial odorants could be challenging.

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Message 59 of 61 (636631)
10-08-2011 3:15 PM
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10-08-2011 1:45 PM


Re: Welcome!
Thanks :-)
DNA analysis is unearthing some inconvenient truths about our mating habits.
quote:
A man can be absolutely sure if a child is his or not - and it's not a trivial matter. Lest anyone think that there is nothing but misogynistic bigotry behind the concern over accurate claims of paternity, a 1999 study by the American Association of Blood Banks discovered that in 30 percent of 280,000 blood tests performed to determine paternity, the man tested was not actually the biological father of his children.
If we accept the hypothesis that women are programmed to seek diversity, why would they stick to one partner for all their children? Much better to get themselves a steady partner that can provide for the family, have a child by him, then seek another partner with different genes just in case?
Cynical moi?

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Big_Al35
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Message 60 of 61 (638466)
10-22-2011 2:17 PM
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10-07-2011 1:03 AM


Re: Biology?
I asked them if they'd date and marry a man who they grew up with in the neighborhood if he was the perfect man of their dream, and they all gave me the same "ewww, that's nasty" answer.
BS. Total BS. Are you kidding me? EVERY woman would want that! The problem is few women have that oppurtunity or he didn't want her and now it's to late. They aren't going to admit any of this to anyone, but deep down they know. What good is it to dwell on what didn't happen? Or that the "dream" didn't come true?
Have you thought that both these answers might be wrong. Maybe she doesn't want to marry him because he knows secrets about her. What about the time he caught her sniffing glue behind the bike sheds. Or what about the time her dress got ripped on a tree branch as they both ran from a dog and she had to scuttle home naked whilst he roared with laughter throughout the journey. Who would want to marry that?

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