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Author | Topic: The Divine Proportion: Does It Have a Materialistic Explaination? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
JasonChin  Inactive Member |
So... thus far we've established that half the things you say come to phi, don't. No we haven't. We've just had heresay and a few home-taken measurments. I need more proof than this. This message has been edited by JasonChin, 10-11-2004 10:16 PM
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JasonChin  Inactive Member |
Jason, are you passive-aggressive? Wow, you're quick......
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NosyNed Member Posts: 8996 From: Canada Joined: |
You made a claim about the bees. You have to show your support for your claim.
I can tell you that it is a fact that the number of workers in a normal hive is in the 10,000's.
quote: from: http://www.42explore.com/bees.htm Other sites have similar numbers. It is your job to defend your statments. Where did you get the ratio you gave?
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NosyNed Member Posts: 8996 From: Canada Joined: |
As I just noted it is up to you to support your statments. You have not done so.
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JasonChin  Inactive Member |
But it's not MY statement...........it's a statement from a number of "official" sources, going back to the Rennisance or earlier.
Therefore, it's up to you to present official statements to the contrary.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
But it's not MY statement...........it's a statement from a number of "official" sources, going back to the Rennisance or earlier. Again with the argument from authority. Why do you expect that to be compelling? By what means did your "official" sources come to this conclusion?
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NosyNed Member Posts: 8996 From: Canada Joined: |
Then you supply your sources and we examine how they arrived at the number. What inputs did they use and how did they do the calculations.
Sources are valuable if they are good ones. Good ones supply the details they used in comming to their conclusions.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5908 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
JasonChin
We've just had heresay and a few home-taken measurments. Good show! Do not take our word for it.Measure yourself to find out how close to phi your own body measurements are already.Investigating for yourself is the best way by far to determine the veracity or falseness of the claim. Let us know how it went will you?
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JasonChin  Inactive Member |
Again with the argument from authority. My arguments from authority beat your arguments from amaturity any day......especially when the authorities stretch back for hundreds or even thousands of years, with no refutation that anyone has mentioned. This message has been edited by JasonChin, 10-11-2004 11:22 PM
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JasonChin  Inactive Member |
But those would still be amaturish calculations.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 8996 From: Canada Joined: |
What authority? You haven't supplied any references yet. You don't have any authorities or facts or anything yet. When you supply those and we can review the calculations, statistical methods or whatever else is involved then we can comment.
You need to review the guidelines here, I think. This message has been edited by NosyNed, 10-11-2004 11:32 PM
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JasonChin  Inactive Member |
I am under the impression that there have been many authorities supporting the claim of the frequency with which Phi is found in nature, going back to the ancient greeks.
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AdminAsgara Administrator (Idle past 2303 days) Posts: 2073 From: The Universe Joined: |
damn double posts....must be Jar's fault somehow.
This message has been edited by AdminAsgara, 10-11-2004 11:43 PM AdminAsgara Queen of the Universe http://asgarasworld.bravepages.com http://perditionsgate.bravepages.com
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AdminAsgara Administrator (Idle past 2303 days) Posts: 2073 From: The Universe Joined: |
Jason, our Forum Guidelines state that when asked, you supply your sources. If you have sources you must present them.
While generally, anecdotal evidence is easily trumped, measurements are difficult to argue with. Your OP states that
Your head to your toes divided by your navel to your toes. Your hip to toes divided by your knee to your toes = 1.618. Your shoulder to your finger tips, divided by your elbow to your fingertips = 1.618
Others here have presented measurement of their own that refute this. Stating that your authorities trump their measurements is not enough. You must give your sources.
especially when the authorities stretch back for hundreds or even thousands of years, with no refutation that anyone has mentioned.
The measurements ARE refutation, especially with no source listed on your side. AdminAsgara Queen of the Universe http://asgarasworld.bravepages.com http://perditionsgate.bravepages.com
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NosyNed Member Posts: 8996 From: Canada Joined: |
Ah, well your impressions don't exactly count. As none of ours do.
What counts is the actual measured number of bees in hives and the measured proportions of humans. To take two examples. Phi does occur as has been pointed out. There seem to be good geometrical reasons for it in some places. However, some of the list of places you supplied seem to be suspect at best. It will take more than impressions to turn 100,000 workers to less than 1,000 drones into a ratio of phi.
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