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edge
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Message 255 of 404 (642152)
11-26-2011 12:11 AM
Reply to: Message 241 by IamJoseph
11-25-2011 9:54 PM


Re: Details, details, details
The term 'or' is not credible here;...
Why not?
... more precise infrmation is already contained in the texts - namely surrounding nations.
How is that more precise than a geographic location down to the minutes/seconds?

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edge
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Message 280 of 404 (642206)
11-26-2011 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 272 by ICANT
11-26-2011 12:19 PM


Re: looking at the likely reagion's geography
But fountains of the deep exist today. Some on land and many many more under water.
And at what rate do they emit water?
The water does rise 55 feet in six hours at the Bay of Fundy.
Are you serious?
It does so by taking water from somewhere else...
Can you show me any text that states the rate of rain fall during the 40 days of rain?
Of course not. You are the one who says it actually happened.
So what was the rate?
Since you can't refute that water came from the fountains of the deep you just deem it as plain silly.
Since there is no evidence for such fountains, it seems silly to say that there was such a thing.
Edited by Admin, : Fix quote.

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edge
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Message 281 of 404 (642207)
11-26-2011 5:13 PM
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11-26-2011 1:31 AM


Re: Details, details, details
Minutes and seconds were not yet in the human mindset.
Well, in case you hadn't noticed, they are now.
How about joining us in the present?

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Message 282 of 404 (642208)
11-26-2011 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 257 by IamJoseph
11-26-2011 1:34 AM


Re: Mt. Ararat
Do you realise that makes the description even more accurate, because it seems to know there was not one lone mountain but a series?
Well, maybe more accurate, but certainly less precise.

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edge
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Message 288 of 404 (642219)
11-26-2011 5:55 PM
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11-26-2011 5:43 PM


Re: Mt. Ararat
Pls show us, compared to which other writings is it maybe more accurate but less precise?
You have been asked for a precise location.
Not in the past.
In the present.
You.
How should it be shown to be more precise - you forgot to say?
A name of a landmark, a global position, meters, latitude-longitude, etc. etc.
Where is it?
That would be data.

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Message 290 of 404 (642222)
11-26-2011 5:59 PM
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11-26-2011 5:49 PM


Re: looking at the likely reagion's geography
Who says contemporary land marks introduced for the first time, with cross nation reporting are not evidence? Why not check how archeologists decide?
Well, for one, archaeologists give us locations that anyone could find and actually go there to look at the evidence.

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Message 295 of 404 (642244)
11-26-2011 11:16 PM
Reply to: Message 292 by ICANT
11-26-2011 8:22 PM


Re: looking at the likely reagion's geography
But they still exist today all over the world.
My favorite is the one off the coast of Florida at Jacksonville. It has been know to exist for quite some time now. Here is an article from the New York Times.
And this spring is ejectig water into the stratosphere?
I missed that part.
And the source of the fresh(?) water is where?
And this is your 'fountain of the deep'?
Hey, there's a spring in my back yard. Can I call it a 'fountain of the deep' also? Maybe I could bring in a little extra cash by charging admission...

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edge
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Message 329 of 404 (642824)
12-02-2011 12:14 AM
Reply to: Message 326 by ICANT
11-30-2011 11:04 AM


Re: looking at the likely reagion's geography
So by saying there is enough water beneath the crust of the Earth to fill our oceans 5 to 10 times you assume I am saying that water came to the surface and flooded the world in the flood of Noah and then went back into the mantle.
That is jumping to conclusion and putting words in my mouth.
I made a statement of fact according to what I read scientist have said.
I am saying the water is there now.
The question is how did that water get there?
The real question is what do you think this has to do with a biblical flood and why?
The water that is in the mantle would be under great presure...
There is no 'water', per se... only hydrated minerals.
... which would exceed the gravatational pull on the water, as evidenced when a drill hits a pocket of oil in the litosphere under the waters of the ocean.
You mean the pressure would exdeed hydrostatic. Well, that's not surprsing since the water is not actually free. But how would you get it to dissociate and then expand?
Are you sure you want to compare an overpressured oil reservoir with hydrated minerals?
My question to you was how did that water get there?
Chemical reaction, likely in the area of a subduction zone.
There are only so many plates that exist and one has to dive under another to cause subduction so there is only about 6 places that the water could get into the mantle but it is throughout the mantle.
Actually, the presence of 'water' in the mantle is not homogeneous. It is higher over subduction zones.
The lithosphere is from 6 miles to 50 miles thick and sets on top of the asthenosphere which is up to 150 miles thick.
The asthenosphere has a lot of liquid in it.
Actually, not. The asthenospher is plastic, not liquid.
The lithosphere has a lot of liquid in it, including trillions of barrels of oil.
And how is all of this relevant?
That leads me to believe that the litosphere that is under water has water in it also. This is the water that would have came to the surface when the fountains of the deep were opened up.
Why?
And how?
Whether it would be saline water or fresh water would be irrelavant. I can drill a hole in my back yard to around 300 feet and get saline water.
As you said. This is irrelevant.
There is water in the asthenosphere as this is what is supposed to cool the plates providing lubrication to allow movement for the continents to move.
Please explain.
You seem to be arguing that there is no water that is available in the lithosphere that is covered by water, is that your argument?
Never occurred to me. Do you imagine that there was? How would you displace that water?
Are you including the lithosphere and the asthenosphere which is at least 6 to 100 miles thick in the crust?
Including it for what? This is our model.
They do exist before you get to the mantle.
Again, irrelevant. But also, technically not correct. At least part of the lithosphere is mantle and the asthenosphere is within the mantle.
Are you saying there is no water in the lithosphere and the asthenosphere under the sea?
I don't think so. I can only speak for myself, but I'm saying that there is no liquid water in the asthenosphere except possibly what finds its way into the volcanic arcs. I'm also saying that there is probably water in the upper parts of the lithosphere, but not in the mantle portion. Furthermore, the presence of water in the crustal and supracrustal rocks would have to be displaced in order to participate in a global flood.
All of our groundwater is in the lithosphere according to what I can find.
And only in the most shallow parts at that.
None of the charts list the amount of water in the asthenospher under our dry land. That is amazing because it has to have water in it if the mantle under it has water in it.
Please document these charts. And, no, I repeat that there is no liquid water in those areas.

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