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Panda Member (Idle past 3738 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Trixie writes:
I am wondering how far this discussion can proceed when the OP can't even agree with himself on the translation of a single word. Earlier, Percy said
quote: Later you said, in reply to quote: Forgetting for the moment the gender (which is irrelevant to my point) "seas" can't be considered a singular verb. For starters it's a noun, but, more importantly, its plural. If the original Hebrew uses a singular form, then the translation is inaccurate, if it's accurate it uses a plural form, therefore you can't argue that that it talks about a single sea.If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Panda Member (Idle past 3738 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
ICANT writes:
This is not a science thread. The problem is that Science tells us the land mass was all in one place at one time, as the Bible tells us there was one land mass at one time.What science says about a global flood is off-topic. So, what does the KJV Bible say?
ICANT writes:
So - the KJV does NOT state that there was a Pangaea-like land mass. The land mass could be in any configuration as long as there was not any water landlocked within the land mass.It could have been any kind of shape, as long as there was no land-locked water. If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Panda Member (Idle past 3738 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
ICANT writes: So, if science says that there was no global flood, that would not be off-topic? What science says about the geography of the Earth is not off topic in this thread.And anyway, I thought this thread was about what the bible says about the flood - and not what science says. ICANT writes: No, it is not verification: it is cherry picking. It is confirmation bias.
So the Bible and Science agreeing that at one time all the land mass was in one place is just verification that the Bible is correct about that event. ICANT writes: ...but only if science agrees with the bible. The text does not describe the shape of the dry land.It just states that dry land appeared when the water was collected to one place. Anything else is left up to imagination or what Science tells us. But why mention science anyway? Doesn't the bible contain all the information we need? ICANT writes: Science doesn't say that all the water was in one place though. I choose to go with what Science tells us about the land being in one place at one time, which would have caused the water to be in one place.But this thread is about "What the KJV Bible says about the Noah Flood" and not "What science says about the Noah flood". Edited by Panda, : No reason given.If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Panda Member (Idle past 3738 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
ICANT writes: Fine. Science can only say what it says.Scientist on the other hand can say science says anything that suits their fancy or biases. Science says there was no global flood. ICANT writes: Yes. That is what happens when you cherry pick information. Makes no difference what you say it is, they both agree that at one time there was one land mass.You can take information out-of-context and you can make it say anything you want. ICANT writes: No. Look at your avatar: all the land is in one place - but the water is not. QED.
But if all the land was in one place at one time that would leave all the water in one place. ICANT writes: No, I mean this thread is about "What the KJV Bible says about the Noah Flood" and not "What science says about the Noah flood". Panda writes: You mean they can't agree on events that have happened in the past? But this thread is about "What the KJV Bible says about the Noah Flood" and not "What science says about the Noah flood".As the OP, do you not know this? ICANT writes: As you know very little about science, I'll give your opinion the value it deserves.
I say they can and do and science does not disprove nor can it disprove a flood. ICANT writes: It is a shame that you keep going on about what science says then.
That is the reason for determining exactly what the KJV, LXX, and Hebrew text says about the Earth at the time of the flood. ICANT writes: But this thread is about "What the KJV Bible says about the Noah Flood" and not "What ICANT imagines about the Noah flood". If the Earth was as I present it and a flood took place and the Earth was then divided there would be no evidence left behind that could be found to support a world wide flood. There would be evidence of a flood in all of the land mass that was above water at that time but the land mass that was under the water that was in one place would have different evidence and some that protruded up through the land that was at the bottom of the water would have something different. Edited by Panda, : No reason given.If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Panda Member (Idle past 3738 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
ICANT writes: Wrong. I don't need to know how someone was murdered to find evidence of it happening - so why would a global flood be any different?
Scientist and others say Science says there was no global flood.But without knowing the geography of the Earth at the time of the flood no conclusion can be reached. ICANT writes: If you click on the links at the bottom of this post you can follow the conversation backwards and read what you have written. So which piece of information was taken out of context.Personally, I prefer to remember what I have said and what I am discussing. But to help you with your poor memory: "The problem is that Science tells us the land mass was all in one place at one time, as the Bible tells us there was one land mass at one time." This is particularly ironic since your avatar shows that there is no need for there to be one land mass. ICANT writes: But you have forgotten what you are talking about again. But that water was added to my avatar today so I could ask the question, "is all the water in my avatar in the same place"?So thanks for confirming that the water in my avatar is not all in one place. Here it is for you: Panda writes: So - no. ICANT writes: No. Look at your avatar: all the land is in one place - but the water is not. QED. But if all the land was in one place at one time that would leave all the water in one place.The fact that the water in your avatar is not 'all in one place' while the land clearly is 'all in one place' disproves your claim. Your own evidence has proved you wrong. ICANT writes: The science doesn't agree with you. I have presented what the KJV Bible say about the events I have described so far as well as the confirmation that Science has given in the past to the land mass being in one place at one time requiring all the water to be in one place at one time. And if we keep stumbling around on determining the geography of the Earth at the time of the Noah flood we will never get to any specific details about the flood. If we do not know what the Earth was like when the flood took place there is no way of determining what happened.So, if you don't feel there is enough evidence in the bible to know what happened, then I suggest that you stop making unsupported claims. ICANT writes: And I repeat: when something happens in the past: it leaves evidence. Once it is determined what the geography was when the flood took place then we can discuss any information Biblical or Scientific as to whether the flood took place or not. But to say Science disproves the flood without knowing what the Earth's geography was at the time of the flood is asinine.Your mantra of "We need to know the geography before we can know if it happened" is not an argument that has any merit. It is patently wrong. ICANT writes: Does it say that the land was all in one place? Does that say all the water under heaven was gathered to one place?No. ICANT writes: Since it doesn't say that all the land was in one place, then it must have been imagined by you.
So this is not what ICANT imagines the text says but exactly what the text says. ICANT writes: Have you decided on when it happened yet? If everyone here wants to declare that the Earth was just like it is today then there is no way to have a discussion.4500 years ago? 250 million years ago? Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : tweaks for clarityIf I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Panda Member (Idle past 3738 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
ICANT writes: Geologists know what evidence of flooding looks like. I did say you needed to know the geography of the Earth at the time of the flood and what happened thereafter to be able to figure out what you would find.Geologists know what the Earth's geological history is. The Earth's geological history does not include a global flood. ICANT writes: And if the land was only one foot above sea-level it would be underwater at each high tide. IOW if the water was in one place and the dry land was only 1 foot above sea level it would not take much water to cover the highest part of that land would be 15 cubits of water. Using the largest Hebrew cubit that would be 30.6 feet of water + the 1 foot to sea level. So 31.6 feet of water would be required, which would be 8.6 feet below the bottom of the door that was in the side of the ark. The ark wouldn't even have to rise off the land it was sitting on.But, as can be seen below, the bible says that there were mountains. ICANT writes: No mountains? "Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered. " Gen 7:20 KJV ?
Taking into consideration there was no mountains to wash down into the low places and the water rose from the fountains of the deep all around the land mass until it was covered, with the rain falling at the same time. ICANT writes: And when, would you say, was Peleg alive? I am not sure of the date but I will go out on a limb and say I believe the Earth was divided as stated in Genesis 10:25 during the lifetime of Peleg.If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Panda Member (Idle past 3738 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
ICANT writes:
I just read the text and accept what it says.After all I am arguing what the KJV Bible says. ICANT writes:
I am unable to reconcile these contrary statements. The word mountain did not exist until the 12the century and until the middle of the 18th century it was used to describe the hills around Paris.If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Panda Member (Idle past 3738 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
IamJ writes: That is not Deuteronomy 13:1. Deuteronomy Chapter 131 All this word which I command you, that shall ye observe to do; thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it. Try again. If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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