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frako
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From: slovenija
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Message 2 of 40 (639168)
10-28-2011 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Rahvin
10-28-2011 12:47 PM


Well if you make the prisoners work and i mean hard work like digging ditches they would not have the energy to rape each other after they are done.
now all they do is lay around the prison think how to smuggle in drugs, how to keep the other group from smuggling in drugs so they get a bigger share of the profits, and how enhance their sexual life from the daylie rutine from ms, left and ms right. And when they are bored they think about how to not get caught again and share their ideas.
Of course there also hasto be a carrot on the other side of the stick.
Im all for getting the prisoners educated, we dont have many problems of ex prisoners not finding work cause no one asks i sure didnt i had a worker that was drunk and crashed into a house killing 2 of his passengers he got a few years in jail for it found out about it 6 months after i hired him dint fire him after i found out lol.
There are jobs that you cant have with a criminal record but hay thats life.
Im also all for it that the prisoners get payed for the work they do so they can pay of their mortgages and stuff like that
But im also for that prison is a living hell within the law, no entertainment(not tv, no basketball, no drugs, no cigarettes, no raping, no chatting the day away) just work food, sleep and an education if you are willing to educate yourself. ,

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

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frako
Member (Idle past 327 days)
Posts: 2932
From: slovenija
Joined: 09-04-2010


Message 4 of 40 (639193)
10-28-2011 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Rahvin
10-28-2011 2:31 PM


Says you. I'm somewhat skeptical of such a claim.
Trust me when you work hard the only thing on your mind after its over is to go to sleep, if it isnt then you havent worked hard enough.
And how would this be different in a "hard labor" scenario? Would you ban all convict communication while at work? Otherwise, what do you suppose will be on their minds while they do hard, menial labor? What do you think they'll be talking about while they pick cotton fields or dig ditches?
Theyl be thinking im not even gonna get a parking ticket after im out this is hell i rather flip burgers in a steaming hot room for minimum wage.
In the US, there is only a stick.
well as you can see the stick only method does not work.
There is obviously a rather distinct difference between Slovenian employment and American. Felons can rarely find jobs here. Every employment application asks "have you been convicted of a felony?" Most jobs perform criminal background checks. Felons frequently can't even get a job at McDonalds flipping burgers.
Then that is your problem if an ex fellon cant get a job survival will kick in and he will find some way to get food clothing, and a roof over his head.
I bolded a bit. Why? What urges you to support making the life of another human being as miserable as is legally possible (and I'll note that, in the US, that's pretty miserable - the difference between legal misery and illegal misery is differenciated only in the specific manner it is caused)?
Because he broke the rules we live by and i dont want him to brake anymore especially around me, (i dont want to get robbed), and if the punishment is severe enough he may tink twice before doing it again.
Do you know what happens to the human mind when you disallow any recreational time?
Dunno maybe we should ask an Amish guy how he feels about not watching tv and playing basketball.
ut why do you support it? In what way do you think making prisoners more miserable will make the world a better place? What goal is better served?
The goal being served is a deterant but the deterant only works if there is a carrot at the other side.
And basically the goal being served is giving the person a "spanking" (any disciplinary action) that he never got from his mom or dad.
side note: " rarely got spanked as a kid, but my parents had better lessons for me if i came home drunk i dint get yelling or spanking i got a disappointed speech, and work as early as possible in the morning the "torture" made me think twice about drinking"
What the american system does is, is locking the people who never lerned that actions have conciquences together and hope they learn their lesson and then throw them out when their time is done and not give them any chance in life afterwards. If they cant get a job their only option is crime.
What should be done is show them the consiquence if you brake the law you get punished then when that is shown enable them to live normal lives. The stick has to be mighty heavy and the carrot has to be in eyesight.
Are you just being an Internet Tough Guy and suggesting that convicts are "bad" and that they "deserve worse?" What scale are you using to determine who deserves what?
Never been to prison hopefully never will. On what scale do we determine who gets how many years in prison? Everybody should get the same treatment in jail, the better they behave the more privileges they should get.
On a side note i dont get the life sentences if someone gets life whiteout parole it would be easier for all parties if he gets the chair. I know i would rather get the chair then life whiteout parole.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

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frako
Member (Idle past 327 days)
Posts: 2932
From: slovenija
Joined: 09-04-2010


Message 34 of 40 (639423)
10-31-2011 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by crashfrog
10-30-2011 3:13 PM


Yeah, I think so. Contrary to what people think, revenge usually doesn't cycle. Your brother kills my uncle. I kill your brother.
Actually it does Albanian blood feuds a perfect example of families killing each other, over stuff they have alredy forgotten.
Their feuds can range for long periods because they have rules where you cant kill someone, so some hide for decades so they dont get whacked
and naturally when you do get vengeance the other family is pissed and strikes back.
And their ideas of how to take vengeance is also silly if you kill my kid i dont kill you but kill your kid. As far as i can remember read about this a long time ago.
There is progress though some dude cant remember his name is hoping to bring an end to this so he often acts as a mediator trying to get families to stop feuding. Using the same texts they get their ideas of blood vengeance from to try and convince them that the text actually says that blood vengeance is a last resort.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

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