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Why do you consider the Big Bang the beginning of the universe?What is the universe? Surely it is all that exists, yes?If we run the piano roll backward, we hear the singularity: the singularity (pardon my double negative) is not nothing.Aside from the other issues with the argument raised by others, you have failed to identify a beginning.

Don't bother.No one is here to be lectured.If you cannot respond with something more than hand-waving to objections as they arise, go home.

You've seen it from me.I expressed that skepticism once long ago here in one of the cosmology threads, and then realized that "fine-tuning" meant something to cosmologists other than my Newtonian-intuitive apprehension of the term.I confess my take is still that it sounds rather like we wouldn't be like we are if the universe wasn't like it is, and it is difficult to see much significance in that.Like subbie, I'd like to understand more.

Well, that sucked, in a primum movens kinda way.It's fascinating to watch someone attempt to construct an ex nihilo argument with empty hands, but ultimately nothing comes of it.For better thoughts and greater detail, see what Rahvin said. Message 296Edited by Omnivorous, : Nuttin'.