Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 64 (9164 total)
4 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,829 Year: 4,086/9,624 Month: 957/974 Week: 284/286 Day: 5/40 Hour: 1/4


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Big Bang Theory Supports a Belief in the Universe Designer or Creator God
Theodoric
Member
Posts: 9197
From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005
Member Rating: 3.2


Message 112 of 317 (640208)
11-07-2011 10:45 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by designtheorist
11-07-2011 9:56 PM


Re: Reply to jar
Obviously, a forest fire from a lighted match does not meet the requirement because it results in less complexity. I'm eager to hear your answer!
Please explain how a burnt forest is less complex than an unburnt forest. I am eager to hear your answer.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

This message is a reply to:
 Message 96 by designtheorist, posted 11-07-2011 9:56 PM designtheorist has not replied

  
Theodoric
Member
Posts: 9197
From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005
Member Rating: 3.2


Message 113 of 317 (640209)
11-07-2011 10:47 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by EWCCC777
11-07-2011 9:57 PM


Re: A being?
where as evolution is a relatively new theory
Do you have an understanding of what a scientific theory is? Hint, it is not a conjecture or hypothesis.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

This message is a reply to:
 Message 97 by EWCCC777, posted 11-07-2011 9:57 PM EWCCC777 has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 116 by EWCCC777, posted 11-07-2011 10:52 PM Theodoric has replied

  
Theodoric
Member
Posts: 9197
From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005
Member Rating: 3.2


Message 118 of 317 (640214)
11-07-2011 10:56 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by EWCCC777
11-07-2011 10:52 PM


Re: A being?
Well you certainly do not act as if you do. Why don't you humor me and give me your understanding of what a scientific theory is? It would certainly make discussions easier if we knew we had a common understanding of scientific theory.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

This message is a reply to:
 Message 116 by EWCCC777, posted 11-07-2011 10:52 PM EWCCC777 has not replied

  
Theodoric
Member
Posts: 9197
From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005
Member Rating: 3.2


Message 137 of 317 (640235)
11-07-2011 11:42 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by designtheorist
11-07-2011 11:33 PM


Reply to DT
Your second sentence shows that the first is not rue. The purpose of science is not to support any truth.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

This message is a reply to:
 Message 136 by designtheorist, posted 11-07-2011 11:33 PM designtheorist has not replied

  
Theodoric
Member
Posts: 9197
From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005
Member Rating: 3.2


Message 142 of 317 (640241)
11-08-2011 12:16 AM
Reply to: Message 138 by designtheorist
11-07-2011 11:47 PM


Re: Reply to PaulK
Something or someone caused the universe to come into existence, because universes do not just happen on their own.
How do you know this? Do you have examples of other universes? If there is a cause, why does it have to be a deity?
You are not using sound logic.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

This message is a reply to:
 Message 138 by designtheorist, posted 11-07-2011 11:47 PM designtheorist has not replied

  
Theodoric
Member
Posts: 9197
From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005
Member Rating: 3.2


Message 143 of 317 (640243)
11-08-2011 12:20 AM
Reply to: Message 141 by designtheorist
11-08-2011 12:11 AM


Re: Reply to jar
This is all nothing more than a continuation of the god of the gaps argument.
Actually a fairly large number of measurable items and ratios appear to be fine-tuned. This is actually a very strong argument for design when the science is properly understood.
No it isn't.
This is no more convincing an argument than the puddle and pothole argument.
It is amazing that for a universe so fine tuned for life, life exist in such a miniscule part of it.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

This message is a reply to:
 Message 141 by designtheorist, posted 11-08-2011 12:11 AM designtheorist has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 146 by designtheorist, posted 11-08-2011 12:24 AM Theodoric has not replied

  
Theodoric
Member
Posts: 9197
From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005
Member Rating: 3.2


Message 145 of 317 (640245)
11-08-2011 12:23 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by designtheorist
11-07-2011 9:56 PM


Bump for dt
I would really like to know your thoughts on this.
Please explain how a burnt forest is less complex than an unburnt forest.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

This message is a reply to:
 Message 96 by designtheorist, posted 11-07-2011 9:56 PM designtheorist has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 148 by designtheorist, posted 11-08-2011 12:30 AM Theodoric has replied

  
Theodoric
Member
Posts: 9197
From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005
Member Rating: 3.2


Message 171 of 317 (640279)
11-08-2011 8:41 AM
Reply to: Message 148 by designtheorist
11-08-2011 12:30 AM


Re: Bump for dt
Every cell of every living tree contains tons of information.
I guess I need a definition of information. Have you ever seen a forest fire in action? It is very complex. Burned area of forest also is very complex. I would like to know what you are using as your determination of what constitutes complex as opposed to uncomplex.
Do you consider a human more complex than a tree?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

This message is a reply to:
 Message 148 by designtheorist, posted 11-08-2011 12:30 AM designtheorist has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 179 by designtheorist, posted 11-08-2011 9:56 AM Theodoric has not replied

  
Theodoric
Member
Posts: 9197
From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005
Member Rating: 3.2


Message 172 of 317 (640281)
11-08-2011 8:49 AM
Reply to: Message 150 by Dirk
11-08-2011 12:59 AM


Gaps it is
Classic god of the gaps after all...
And I thought we finally had a new creo with some interesting arguments. Turns out all he has is poorly rehashed god of the gaps argument with some nebulous information theory bs.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

This message is a reply to:
 Message 150 by Dirk, posted 11-08-2011 12:59 AM Dirk has seen this message but not replied

  
Theodoric
Member
Posts: 9197
From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005
Member Rating: 3.2


(1)
Message 191 of 317 (640305)
11-08-2011 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by designtheorist
11-08-2011 11:43 AM


Re: A change in tone this morning
and personal attacks against me in a number of posts.
Really? Where?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

This message is a reply to:
 Message 187 by designtheorist, posted 11-08-2011 11:43 AM designtheorist has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 194 by Panda, posted 11-08-2011 12:33 PM Theodoric has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024