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Author Topic:   Does the speed of light allow new earth creationism
Phat
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Message 5 of 35 (640720)
11-12-2011 9:21 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by IDontKnow
11-11-2011 8:09 PM


The Light Went On In My Head
Even if we assume for the sake of argument that the earth was 10,000 years old (which I'm fairly convinced it isn't) The light from the distant galaxies would have still been heading this way.

Biblical Creationism is always a topic that is an affront to science.

I have no problem with applying logic, reason, and reality to the things we can see and test. I also do not see why its an insult to my or anyone else s faith in so doing. Lets go beyond young earth creationism. Lets discuss creation in the context of the universe.

Cant we just assume, in a faith based metaphor and/or symbol, that the Big Bang occurred when God said "Let there be light?"

add by edit: I just read a few of the posts at the other thread, now being summarized. Rahvin had an excellent point here. Keeping in mind that we are in a Science Forum rather than a Faith/Belief one, there is not much more to be said in regards to this topic than what Rahvin eloquently pointed out in my link.

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Phat
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Message 8 of 35 (640723)
11-12-2011 9:41 AM
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11-12-2011 9:30 AM


Light wouldnt have far to travel
Assuming a singularity at one point, light would not have very far to travel.lots of things could happen at that exact moment of creation/expansion.

Philosophical speculation, however, takes us away from the science of the matter. All we have to work with is what we can test, quantify, and observe.

As far as God goes, assuming God to exist, and assuming that a relationship is possible, there are many more important things on the agenda than mere mathematics. Perhaps we should be asking ourselves if it is logical,reasonable, and realistic for a faith to question new earth creationism. Why limit a Creator to obey the rules He allegedly created? Would such a Creator, assuming He/She/It is relational, frown upon humans attempting to understand science? We were given a brain, after all. Moreover, should such a question not be in a philosophy/faith/belief forum?


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Message 10 of 35 (640725)
11-12-2011 9:50 AM
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11-12-2011 9:43 AM


The Science Of The Matter.
OK, OK...I'll shut up already! The dude brought up new earth creationism. All I have done is state that such a philosophical question carries creationists to a faith/belief philosophy forum and carries those of us who want to learn further into this as a science topic.

I was not sure precisely what I Dont Know wanted to know.

He does bring up an excellent question which cannot be scientifically challenged.

Besides, hooah, not all scientists are atheists.

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