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Brian
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Message 5 of 60 (255459)
10-29-2005 5:33 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by robinrohan
10-24-2005 6:05 PM


Ignorance, not arrognace
Some have said, I think, that any claim that makes an assumption about what people think or feel is arrogant, and that the claims of theism do this.
I don’t think it is arrogance, but I do think it is ignorance to assume that everyone should think or feel the same way about anything.
Everyone feels the presence of God.
Everyone has secret fears.
Anyone who claims to feel the presence of God is deluded. What they feel, without knowing it, is the cultural pressure to be a believer.
Any difference in the arrogance levels of these claims?
Everyone feels the presence of God is an ignorant claim as far as I am concerned, how anyone comes to that conclusion is beyond me. The claimant simply has to look around EvC to realise that many do not feel the presence of God. Thus, it suggests to me that this is an ignorant claim as the claimant hasn’t thought it through well enough.
That everyone has secret fears is a possibility, I don’t see this as arrogant or ignorant as everyone I have spoken to has a fear of something, I have yet to meet anyone who doesn’t have a fear of something. While this could be ignorance on my part as I obviously haven’t spoken to everyone that ever lived, I do feel that it is difficult not to be afraid of something. I feel that there are some things that everyone must dread happening, for example, the fear that your child may die before you, or the fear of dying through a long debilitating illness, are just a couple of things I believe would be universal fears, although I know I am being ignorant claiming this.
I have claimed many times here that anyone who feels the presence of God is deluded, I normally say this to stimulate some debate which doesn’t always work.
But, being realistic, while I do think that many people who believe in God are certainly deluded, I do think it is much more complicated than that. I think that there is a psychological explanation for it, but I don’t know what it is. What I do know is that a personal religious experience is an extremely powerful occurrence. As I have said here before, my mate looked a certainty to be dead within a couple of years through drink and drugs, but he had a religious experience and is now a devout Christian, doesn’t touch any drink or drugs and does charity work in the name of Jesus at a rehab centre (last I heard anyway). So, something has happened there. I do think that people in similar situations are of a certain type, susceptible to addictions; IOW they swap one addiction for another.
But, is this arrogance or ignorance on my part? I wouldn’t say it is either, because I was open to the idea that I could be wrong for a very long time. I did believe in God for a very long time, so it is not as if I have just suddenly decided that I am right and theists are wrong.
Any claim that says everyone must feel or think exactly the same is ignorant unless the claimant provides satisfactory data to support their stance. They also have to keep in mind that one negative falsifies their claim. However, convincing them that this negative example is an honest one will be extremely difficult.
Brian.

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