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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 300 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
But people with two copies of the recessive gene still reproduce.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2160 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: |
right, cause sickle cell anemia, while fatal, is not an immediate barrier to reproduction.
God separated the races and attempting to mix them is like attempting to mix water with diesel fuel.- Buzsaw Message 177 It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
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subbie Member (Idle past 37 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
It continues to be passed down genetically because carrying only one sickle cell gene provides a fitness benefit in that it makes the carrier more resistant to malaria. That's why the trait is more commonly found in those from areas where malaria is more prevalent. One would expect that if an intelligent designer had something to do with this, the malaria resistance would be present without the accompanying anemia disease. The fact that instead we see a mutation that's good enough to do the job but certainly not in an optimal manner is evidence that it evolved rather than was created. Of course, I'm just basing my conclusions on evidence and reasoning and not a centuries old book, so I might be mistaken. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate ...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 300 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
The intelligent designer that designed the universe did not design sickle cell anemia. He introduced mutation into his creation, let orgamisms take on different purposes from that which they were designed to do. I don't believe the mosquito was ever created. It evolved from a creature that was perfectly designed to live in a world where they didn't need to suck the blood of other organisms in order to survive.
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 300 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
Which goes to show you that if you use faulty reasoning, you get faulty conclusions, which you so aptly demonstrated.
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 300 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
Which goes to show you that traits that reduce fitness can be passed down. This goes against what trixie was trying to demonstrate with hodgkins disease and teeth problems.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2160 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: |
Not at all. Trixie's post was in support of this:
God separated the races and attempting to mix them is like attempting to mix water with diesel fuel.- Buzsaw Message 177 It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
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subbie Member (Idle past 37 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
RAmen
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate ...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist
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subbie Member (Idle past 37 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Thank you for demonstrating with such blinding clarity that you have nothing of value to offer.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate ...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist
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Trixie Member (Idle past 2488 days) Posts: 1011 From: Edinburgh Joined: |
You need to read more carefully. I was using Huntington's disease(note that Huntington's disease is not Hodgkin's disease nor is it even remotely similar) as as example to illustrate how traits that reduce fitness can be passed down. How does this go against you saying that traits which reduce fitness can be passed down? The reason I used Huntington's disease is that it is inherited in an autosomal dominant fashion, i.e., you only need one copy of the faulty gene to succumb to the disease. The point I was trying to make is that even if a trait is 100% fatal it will not be eliminated from a population if it only manifests itself after reproductive age has been reached. Given that most people manage to get to reproductive age without suffering from terminal dental caries, there is little selective pressure for our teeth to have changed. ABE I hit the "Cheers" button on foreveryoung's post while attempting to hit the "Jeers" button. If his post is an example of how carefully he reads other people's posts before replying, I wonder how carefully he's examined the evidence for the ToE. Edited by Trixie, : Sorting out the "Cheers" and "Jeers" mistake Edited by Trixie, : Spealing and rypos!
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greentwiga Member (Idle past 2209 days) Posts: 213 From: Santa Joined: |
Has anyone read that book, "Catching Fire" about how learning to cook changed mankind? It says that we don't have the teeth or digestive system for eating raw vegetables only, nor do we have the teeth and jaws of a carnivore. I opur problem that we like a too soft diet?
I liked the post about eating a coarser diet leading to no cavities but there is another point. I lived for three years in the rift valley, where humans are said to have evolved. The water there is 10 ppm of fluoride and higher. My older 3 kids were young then (their adult teeth were forming) and even now have almost no cavities. If we evolved to drink water with 10 ppm of Fluoride and then, reletively recently moved to areas with no fluoride, we would have teeth problems
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Arkangel Daniel Member (Idle past 736 days) Posts: 20 Joined: |
Hello I am the Arkangel Daniel and I am from Heaven. I'd just like to point out that originally Humankind ,Angels and God all shared the same type of teeth where there was no K9 teeth. The story, I realise that it is odd me talking about this but it has something to do with me. Originally God and the Angels all ate just one food type and it was a type of Barley mixed with water and that was it. When God created the Humankind they were exactly the same as the batches of Angels and their only food was a type of carrot that was bland. This was in Belize and later in that region cooked meat was discovered because an Angel was in the area starving and came across a forest fire and found a dead rabbit that had been killed and was still warm and ate it. This led to the Angel learning how to hunt animals and later discovering pork which was delicious. The Angel later returned to Heaven and brought with him some live pigs which he later killed some and cooked them and gave some to God, Mary, Jesus and his family and friends. They all loved it and later it was discovered how to alter God's, Angel's and Humankinds teeth. K9's were tested and the best combination was 2 sets upper and lower for Angel's and Humankind and God was happy with 4 sets upper and lower jaw. So the design was deliberately changed for that purpose and when Adam and Eve were sent to Earth along with 498 other Angel's they introduced hunting, fishing, cooking and farming for the Humankinds tech tree. This also happened in Belize and the jungle environment was easier than some places to survive in. (there was no talking snake or a tree with smart fruit and they were never kicked out of Eden it was the place where they were taught jungle survival prior to coming to Earth.) I am the Arkangel Daniel and I am from Heaven.
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Tangle Member Posts: 8066 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
Ok, is this is proper insanity or a poe?
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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vimesey Member Posts: 1215 From: Birmingham, England Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
It did give me a laugh, so out of common decency, I'll assume a poe :-)
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Pressie Member Posts: 2087 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Don't. Really, really stupid and crazy people honestly believe that they hear everything directly from their favourite dieties. In the third world very poor people also do that while creating another future starving child.
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