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Author Topic:   Biology is Destiny?
Jon
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Message 3 of 129 (641298)
11-18-2011 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Tangle
11-18-2011 9:39 AM


Biology is Destiny? Discuss

What's there to discuss?

It is known that neurological damage can alter thinking abilities and, by extension, any related behaviors.

Jon


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Jon
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Message 21 of 129 (641624)
11-20-2011 7:36 PM
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11-19-2011 2:46 AM


It's interesting to defense lawyers too, if you can say 'my brain made me do it' you can't be culpable.

Says who?

Of course, the fact that Fred's brain was changed by a tumour is what makes this case interesting and proved how behaviour can be changed by extreme circumstances. But once you accept the fact that brain, beyond our own will, is responsible for behaviour, you can legitimately ask to what extent we are in control of our own actions generally.

Where is your justification for separating the brain from various cognitive processes such as will?

Well rather a lot if you're a believer in the concepts of free will and evil, right and wrong, sin and absolute morality.

Not really.

Jon


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Jon
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Message 23 of 129 (641666)
11-21-2011 11:03 AM
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11-21-2011 2:58 AM


quote:

Where is your justification for separating the brain from various cognitive processes such as will?

I'm doing the opposite. I'm saying that because the brain is the source of cognitive processes (if not, where else?) then how it is wired is likely to influence those processes.

You said that the "brain, beyond our own will, is responsible for our behaviour". I took that to reflect an opinion that there is a separation between the two; perhaps I was interpreting it wrong.

quote:
Says who.

Says the law. Being 'of sound mind' or more exactly for criminal law, acting with intent and 'men's rea' is at the centre of our law.

Getting off for insanity isn't a clean wiping of the slate. Such folk are often required to undergo mandatory therapy, drugs, and even hospitalization.

Even if you are 'not guilty', you're still getting punished, and that's a clear sign of being held culpable.

Jon


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Jon
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Message 25 of 129 (641677)
11-21-2011 2:18 PM
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11-21-2011 12:50 PM


What is punishment and what is treatment?

Well... I would consider a forced 'treatment' to be a sort of punishment.

Obviously from an outsider's perspective, the individual is hopefully being made better off and so we might say it is all well and good and reserve labeling as punishments things that are generally perceived as negative (prison time, fines, etc.).

I mean, if you are just being yourself one minute, rape someone the next minute, and are then stuck on mandatory drugs and therapy afterwords; I think we could consider your treatment as something of a punishment for your crime.

Jon


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