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JonF Member Posts: 6171 Joined: |
Yeah, he's equivocating (probably without realizing it) between water in aquifers and water bound up in hydrated rocks. He thinks of all that water down there as an artesian well waiting to be tapped.
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JonF Member Posts: 6171 Joined: |
Ever hear of the Age of Steam? Are you aware that for a long time the entire industrialized world depended on accurate knowledge of the properties of water and steam? Apparently not. W know a lot about the properties of water and steam. You don't get to make up properties to suit you. Water under the pressures found under the crust and in the mantle is not steam. Period. Releasing that water from that pressure would flash it instantaneously into superheated steam. Period. Which superheated steam would, by conservation of mass, have to erupt at incredible supersonic velocities, probably above escape velocity, dragging all the water in the oceans and our atmosphere along with it. Sorry, kiddo, your scenario has been analyzed by those who know and found wanting. It's much like Waltie Brown's original hydropants theory. See Walter Brown's Hydroplate Model, especially under the "everyone will cook" heading. See also THe KTB Borehole and The Phase Diagram of Water
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JonF Member Posts: 6171 Joined:
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Try calculating the energy released by the conversion of the potential and kinetic energy from so many comets and asteroids into heat, and you'll find the water will be steam all right, and the surface of the Earth will be molten. Not that any macroscopic life will remain after the blast waves to see it.
The asteroid that wiped out (or at least severely impacted ;-) ) the dinosaurs was much too small to have the effect you are looking for.
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JonF Member Posts: 6171 Joined:
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Oh there's lots of it. My favorite is seismic tomography, like CAT scans except using earthquakes as the probing waves. Here's a side view of the southwestern Pacific, with eartquakes as white dots:
(Depth Extent of the Lau Back-Arc Spreading Center and Its Relation to Subduction Processes) Here's the Aegean between Greece and Turkey:
(Motion history of tectonic plates unravelled ) Here's some images of the western US. See the San Andreas Fault and the Yellowstone hot spot?:
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JonF Member Posts: 6171 Joined: |
Wow. Talk about ad-hoc un-evidenced assertions, we got a live one here!
Still looking for your calculations of the energy converted to heat from those asteroid impacts, and the effect of accelerated nuclear decay on life, and how life survived those catastrophes. Ever think about how much radioactive potassium-40 you have in your body, and the effect if it's decay were accelerated enough to fit a YEC scenario?
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JonF Member Posts: 6171 Joined: |
A million years is a lot of time. 150 days is nothing.
Another un-evidenced assertion. (Oh, and meteorite impacts don't produce sand). Let's see the calculations.
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JonF Member Posts: 6171 Joined: |
Let's see your calculations.
It would also help if you could present a list of all the claims you have made or are going to make for which you have no evidence and require a miracle to produce. Just for grins I thought I'd post something from the RATE I book, by prominent creationist Dr. Russel Humphreys: quote: Can you count the number of miracles he's assuming? It's convenient that your God is so accommodating, popping up another miracle whenever you want.
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JonF Member Posts: 6171 Joined: |
Another un-evidenced assertion. Let's see the numbers.
Lab coats and utensils aren't necessary to do the math. List your assumptions and calculate the impact.
OK, let's see a list of the conditions that were different in Noah's day and the evidence that indicates that those conditions were different. Your un-evidenced assertions are still just that no matter what you want to claim about the sky today.
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JonF Member Posts: 6171 Joined: |
You're making the positive claim of possibility, we're requesting sufficient information to evaluate that claim. The ball's in your court. Under today's conditions the scenario you propose would wipe out all macroscopic life at least twice over. List the conditions for your scenario including the evidence that those conditions were as you are assuming. You also need to address the observations we have such as the constancy of radioactive decay rates, for example The fundamental constants and their variation: observational status and theoretical motivations So far you're just making s**t up and assuming a miracle whenever your scenario has a problem. We know that's all you got, we've seen the same tired story many times before, we're just poking you for the fun of it.
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JonF Member Posts: 6171 Joined:
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A man's interpretation of the Bible is perfectly good evidence for what it's writers believed. It doesn't contain much that is useful in trying to determine the structure of the Earth or how the alleged flood happened.
Pay attention to whatever you want for whatever reasons make sense to you. However, if you want to discuss the alleged flood or convince someone to adopt your beliefs, you will have to accept existing observations. Those pictures are presentations of observations, and demand explanation. If you ignore them, as I expect you will, your participation in this thread is pointless.
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JonF Member Posts: 6171 Joined: |
I echo edge's call for references for your assertions about plate tectonics.
You appear to have a problem with the observations I posted. What is your explanation for this data?
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JonF Member Posts: 6171 Joined: |
Oh, and you forgot to factor in the rates of motion and the raising of mountains. Probably a few other things, too.
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JonF Member Posts: 6171 Joined: |
He thinks that the Earth's interior was cold before the fludde, and was heated by accelerated radioactive decay during and after the fludde. Never mind all the issues with accelerated radioactive decay and the evidence we have of radioactive decay rates being constant for many billions of years.
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JonF Member Posts: 6171 Joined: |
But I find, in many places such as Subduction Zones: quote: I'm not an expert in this field, but it seems pretty obvious than the length of convergent plate margins is more relevant than the length of trenches. I also note that the above-quoted numbers were published before your source, and yet your source didn't mention these often-referenced sources. So, based on this evidence, I'm going to conclude that your source is a crank. Unlike, of course, your refusal to address the seismic tomography evidence I posted. There's data there, no matter how it's presented, and it cries out for explanation. Edited by JonF, : tinty typo Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member Posts: 6171 Joined: |
Nope. 4.0-4.03 billion years: Priscoan (4.00±4.03 Ga) orthogneisses from northwestern Canada. And, 4.28 billion years: Neodymium-142 Evidence for Hadean Mafic Crust (full text requires free registration).
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