Message 226 of 306 (646198) 01-03-2012 4:16 PM

Reply to: Message 219 by Percy 01-02-2012 6:34 PM

You are only partly correct.

OK so far.

This is a possibility but not necessary.

That is not in my model nor has it ever been. It comes about because of assumptions you made.

In message Message 130 I said:

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Well no, I have proposed that the water in the mantle under 100° C is hot water. Water in the mantle between 100° C and 176.6666666666° C is steam. Water in the mantle between 176.6666666666° C and 815° C would be superheated steam.

Steam rises and as it does so it will cool until it condenses into water and that water as it rises will cool.

So I am not proposing that superheated steam will be released into the ocean.

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If you will read carefully what I have said you will notice I have never proposed what you are proposing.

I did state any water that in the mantle under 100° C would be hot water. As it gets closer to the surface it cools.

I could just as easily say that any water that reaches 100° C becomes steam.

Any water in the lithosphere or mantle that reaches 176.6666666666° C is superheated steam.

Those are true today as is proven on a daily basis in boilers around the world.

So no you need to leave your above statement out.

As far as I know all the water stayed on the surface. The caverns that had been emptied of the water that covered the land mass collapsed reducing the elevation of the water until dry land appeared that the ark landed on. When the caverns collapsed the depression would have held all the water that had been expelled from them.

This could account for the continental crust that is underwater around the world.

In Message 1 I stated: This file is a ppp.
here

You can find the pdf. file Here

In this ppp. file it shows the Caribbean Sea except for one small part is oceanic crust in dark red, the rest is either oceanized crust or continental crust. These land masses are under up to 25,000 feet of water.

How did that continental crust get there? At one time it had to be above water.

This is just one example of many around the world where continents that have been above water and now exist under thousands of feet of water.

God Bless,

Message 227 of 306 (646211) 01-03-2012 4:56 PM

Reply to: Message 220 by edge 01-02-2012 6:56 PM

More like some man or mens interpertated of what the raw data says.

Who said they did?

Concerning what?

Scientist have used that argument since the advent of modern science.

You have what you believe and I have presented what scientist have said about the information you and others have presented.

I don't have an argument as to what the data says. All I have is what scientist have said that is recorded.

God Bless,

Message 228 of 306 (646231) 01-03-2012 6:00 PM

Reply to: Message 226 by ICANT 01-03-2012 4:16 PM

You could make such a statement but of course it would be wrong and show that you have no idea what is involved in changing water to steam.

Message 229 of 306 (646235) 01-03-2012 6:26 PM

Reply to: Message 226 by ICANT 01-03-2012 4:16 PM

I'm not trying to tell you what your model is. You're supposed to be telling us what your model is, but you are revealing it in dribs and drabs. All I'm trying to do is collect those dribs and drabs into a single paragraph describing your model. I'd prefer that you do this yourself, but you're apparently reluctant, so let me try again:

The Earth used to be much smaller. It was bombarded over long periods of time by asteroids and comets, and much water, vegetation and living creatures became deeply buried, providing the source for deeply buried oil and water and fossils. The water emerged during the flood, and perhaps was augmented by more comets. The water remained on the surface and depressed regions downward into the subterranean caverns previously occupied by the fountains of the deep.

If this is wrong and doesn't represent your views then there is no need to build arguments about how it is wrong. If it is an incorrect representation of your views then just say so and I will believe you. There is no reason to misrepresent your views, because then we would end up criticizing the wrong views.

Just correct the mistakes, that's all that's needed.

--Percy

Message 230 of 306 (646242) 01-03-2012 7:42 PM

Reply to: Message 226 by ICANT 01-03-2012 4:16 PM

Well, no, that isn't true at all. Any (pure) water anywhere that's at 177 C and at a pressure over 136 pounds per square inch is hot water. Liquid hot water. Water hotter than 374 C or 705 F is vapor (or steam) regardless of pressure.

I have worked around wells into the lithosphere in California and Costa Rica that tap into either liquid- or vapor-form water, all hotter than 176.66666 C. Pressure enters in to it, ICANT.

Message 231 of 306 (646245) 01-03-2012 7:54 PM

Reply to: Message 221 by edge 01-02-2012 7:21 PM

Here under subduction.

All from same document.

1974 others as late as 1999.

The people in the day of the Bible thought it was all in one place as there are maps of a land mass encircled with water carved on a stone. I just assume they got it from what they thought the Bible said in that day. If that wasn't the way they got their information they had to walk all the way around it to have such a belief.

And what effect does that have on me?

And what does that have to do with what I said?

And what problem does that cause me?

What problem does that create for me?

What would force the water out of the Earth?

Unless the water was deposited at a higher elevation and then migrated to a lower place where it could exit. There would not be enough pressure underground to force the water to the surface as there is in the Earth now.

As the Earth grew and the solids settled the weight of the materials compacted the material below them until they turned into all kind of solids, even granite and denser materials.

The water trapped under some of those materials that they could not penetrate in any volume would come under great pressure.

If it is continental shelves, why is the entire Caribbean Sea floor covered with continental crust as well as the Gulf of Mexico with only a very small portion of oceanic crust?

Do mean that the materials from the asteroids would not cause sediment if there was water to settle in?

Anyway here is one reference.
Here

Are you telling me since there is enough water in the Earth to fill our present oceans 7 to 10 times there could not have been enough water stored in the Earth to cause Noah's flood?

Do you have a reading problem?

How could water flow into something that had ceased to exist as a cavern and became a hole.

The water could fill the hole that had been created by the colapse of the overburden over the cavern.

Under 2,000 to 25,000 feet of water around the world. They are called sumerged continents.

There is you just don't accept it.

There is no argumentation above in your post that shows that what I have presented is an impossibility.

Care to try again.

God Bless,

Message 232 of 306 (646253) 01-03-2012 8:28 PM

Reply to: Message 229 by Percy 01-03-2012 6:26 PM

Re-stated as:

In time past the Earth was much smaller than it is today. The Earth was bombarded over long, separate periods of time by asteroids that provided much materials and comets that provided much water. Between the different times of bombardment there was life forms on Earth. There was shallow watery areas that produced much life forms which got covered in later bombardments. A few times the Earth was hit by huge asteroids that killed almost every life form on Earth but the Earth was able to recover. The materials that was buried in the Earth provided the trillions of tons of material that produce the oil, natural gas and later the coal.

The water that was trapped in the Earth migrated to areas that was void of material or very loose material. As the Earth increased in size all the water in the ground was placed under greater and greater pressure.

When the water in those areas was released into the ocean it produce the rise in the water level that caused the flood of Noah. The overburden over the places that had been vacated by the water used to flood the Earth became weaker over time and collapsed causing the overburden which had at one time been above sea level to sink to the bottom. Therefore the water that had been in the Earth was now in the craters created by the collapse of the overburden.

This in turn caused the flood waters to receed and cause dry land to appear which the ark became marooned on.

Is that sufficient for where the water came from and where it went?

God Bless,

Message 233 of 306 (646257) 01-03-2012 8:43 PM

Reply to: Message 228 by jar 01-03-2012 6:00 PM

Water boils at 212° which is the same at 100° C. When water boils steam rises from the boiling water.

Steam is produced from 212° F to 350° F which is the same as 100° C to 176.66666666666668° C. At 350° it is considered superheated steam.

Now if those numbers are wrong give the correct numbers.

God Bless,

Message 234 of 306 (646258) 01-03-2012 8:51 PM

Reply to: Message 233 by ICANT 01-03-2012 8:43 PM

What is needed to change water state? How do you change water at 100C into steam at 100C?

Message 235 of 306 (646260) 01-03-2012 8:53 PM

Reply to: Message 233 by ICANT 01-03-2012 8:43 PM

Evidently not now or ever.

Edited by anglagard, : Punctuation

Message 236 of 306 (646261) 01-03-2012 9:00 PM

Reply to: Message 230 by Coragyps 01-03-2012 7:42 PM

Then I stand corrected.

The only dealings I have had with steam is with boilers and have never put a hole in the ground to find steam.

The only difference would be is that liquid water would be available much deeper in the Earth making twice the amount of water available to produce water for the flood. Which only helps my case, with the amount of water available.

God Bless,

Message 237 of 306 (646262) 01-03-2012 9:04 PM

Reply to: Message 234 by jar 01-03-2012 8:51 PM

Put cold water in a tea kettle and put it on the burner on the stove and turn the heat on high. When the temperature reaches 100° C the kettle will begin to whistle as the steam exits the kettle.

God Bless,

Message 238 of 306 (646265) 01-03-2012 9:09 PM

Reply to: Message 237 by ICANT 01-03-2012 9:04 PM

And what temperature will you measure in Denver, Colorado?

--Percy

Message 239 of 306 (646268) 01-03-2012 9:17 PM

Reply to: Message 237 by ICANT 01-03-2012 9:04 PM

How do you change water at 100C to steam at 100C?

Message 240 of 306 (646271) 01-03-2012 9:24 PM

Reply to: Message 236 by ICANT 01-03-2012 9:00 PM

Steam for the Fludde. Old Faithful is a very mild example; wells around Indio, California can produce maybe a million pounds of steam per hour.

When you take water at 600F and reduce the applied pressure to 14.7 psi, quite a bit of it flashes to steam. Think Mark Twain and Mississippi steamboats exploding.