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Author Topic:   Where Did The (Great Flood) Water Come From And Where Did It Go?
Juvenissun
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Message 391 of 410 (880135)
07-30-2020 5:57 AM
Reply to: Message 388 by Pollux
07-29-2020 9:17 PM


Re: CO2
CO2 has varied a lot through Earth's history. It was 1800ppm in the Cretaceous

I am not talking about ppm scale. I am talking about Possible >90% of CO2 in earth's early atmosphere.

Do you know how is the high CO2 concentration in the air related to the global flood?


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Juvenissun
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Message 392 of 410 (880136)
07-30-2020 6:02 AM
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07-29-2020 11:51 PM


Re: Empty the oceans and pile the water on land, then drain back into oceans
Were the ocean basins not already full during "the flood"?

Of course it was full. Only it was a much shallower basin. That is how the oceanic basins should be in the tectonics of early earth. (Do you know why "should" it be shallow?)


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Message 393 of 410 (880137)
07-30-2020 6:09 AM
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07-30-2020 1:51 AM


Re: Empty the oceans and pile the water on land, then drain back into oceans
The main problem for YECs is that the actual world-wide flood is because it is still happening and is becoming worse nothing like how they imagine it, so they have to come up with all kinds of impossible nonsense to try to explain everything away.

Absolutely not.
The flood of a global size only happened ONCE in the history of the earth.

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Message 394 of 410 (880171)
07-30-2020 10:21 AM
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07-30-2020 6:02 AM


Re: Empty the oceans and pile the water on land, then drain back into oceans
Juvenissun writes:

Only it was a much shallower basin.


Where's your evidence of that?

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Message 395 of 410 (880179)
07-30-2020 11:50 AM
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07-30-2020 10:21 AM


Re: Empty the oceans and pile the water on land, then drain back into oceans
It is a simple physical model one called isostasy.

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Message 396 of 410 (880183)
07-30-2020 12:15 PM
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07-30-2020 11:50 AM


Re: Empty the oceans and pile the water on land, then drain back into oceans
Jevenissun writes:

It is a simple physical model one called isostasy.


That doesn't answer the question. You said the oceans were "shallower" then. Why would isostasy make the oceans shallower then than it does now?

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Juvenissun
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Message 397 of 410 (880186)
07-30-2020 12:23 PM
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07-30-2020 12:15 PM


Re: Empty the oceans and pile the water on land, then drain back into oceans
OK. The ocean was shallow in early earth because continent were thin. You put thinner piece of wood in water, the part submerged in water is thinner.

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Message 398 of 410 (880188)
07-30-2020 12:32 PM
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07-30-2020 12:23 PM


Re: Empty the oceans and pile the water on land, then drain back into oceans
Juvenissun writes:

The ocean was shallow in early earth because continent were thin.


And I'm asking you for evidence of that. Because of isostasy, thinner continents make thinner oceans - but how do you know that the continents WERE thinner?

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 399 of 410 (880190)
07-30-2020 12:35 PM
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07-30-2020 6:09 AM


Re: Empty the oceans and pile the water on land, then drain back into oceans
Please quote me accurately. I know that that is completely contrary to the nature of creationists, but it must be done nonetheless.

You quoted me as writing:

sic writes:

The main problem for YECs is that the actual world-wide flood is because it is still happening and is becoming worse nothing like how they imagine it, so they have to come up with all kinds of impossible nonsense to try to explain everything away.

That doesn't even make sense, the way that you had fouled up.

Instead, this is what I wrote:

DWise1 writes:

The main problem for YECs is that the actual world-wide flood is (because it is still happening and is becoming worse) nothing like how they imagine it, so they have to come up with all kinds of impossible nonsense to try to explain everything away.

Notice the parentheses which you omitted. And by omitting those parentheses you made my statement appear nonsensical. Breaking it down to explain it in terms that hopefully even you can understand, to get the basic sense of a sentence that contains parentheticals, first remove the parenthetical; thus:

quote:
The main problem for YECs is that the actual world-wide flood is nothing like how they imagine it, so they have to come up with all kinds of impossible nonsense to try to explain everything away.

That is of course a true statement, plus it is expressed far more clearly than the mess you had reduced it to. So what did the parenthetical do? It added that that actual world-wide flood is still happening and is becoming worse (just look at what's happening in Miami and any other coastal city).

So to reiterate, your problem is that you have completely unrealistic expectations for what a world-wide flood would be and so you have to make up all kinds of impossible nonsense to try in vain to support those unrealistic expectations. As you should have read already, even flood geologists have learned through direct experience that a great many of their ideas about geology have proven to be wrong.

If you disagree, then present your reasons for disagreeing. If you have no reasons to disagree (as will be evidenced by your not giving any), then simply say so.

The flood of a global size only happened ONCE in the history of the earth.

First, the global flooding from the rising of the sea levels is indeed of global size.

Second, it has happened repeatedly at the end of each ice age.


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Message 400 of 410 (880200)
07-30-2020 3:37 PM
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07-30-2020 12:32 PM


Re: Empty the oceans and pile the water on land, then drain back into oceans
Because the earth had no continent. Continent grows from 0% to 30% of the earth surface.

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Message 401 of 410 (880233)
07-31-2020 9:25 AM
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07-30-2020 3:37 PM


Re: Empty the oceans and pile the water on land, then drain back into oceans
Juvenissun writes:

Because the earth had no continent.


I'm asking you for evidence of that, not just assertion.

We know that there were continents before there were any people - i.e. before "the Flood" - so your assertion doesn't even make sense.


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Message 402 of 410 (880246)
07-31-2020 11:06 AM
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07-31-2020 9:25 AM


Re: Empty the oceans and pile the water on land, then drain back into oceans
Have you heard that the original (very very early) earth was a molten globe? It was all made of lava all the way up to the very surface. Those lava solidified gradually into something like the current oceanic crustal rock (called basalt). And continent is made of a different rock called granite. There was no granite at the beginning.

Evidence? Well, the earth has only 30% of the surface covered with granitic material but has the other 70% covered with basaltic material. Take that as a good evidence? If not, what kind evidence you like to see?

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Message 403 of 410 (880260)
07-31-2020 12:36 PM
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07-31-2020 11:06 AM


Re: Empty the oceans and pile the water on land, then drain back into oceans
Jevenissun writes:

Evidence? Well, the earth has only 30% of the surface covered with granitic material but has the other 70% covered with basaltic material. Take that as a good evidence?


No. I asked for evidence that there were no continents. And that would be at a time when there were people on earth.

Juvenissun writes:

If not, what kind evidence you like to see?


I'd like you to see that your claim doesn't make any sense. How could there be people on earth if there were no continents?

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Juvenissun
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Message 404 of 410 (880277)
07-31-2020 4:04 PM
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07-31-2020 12:36 PM


Re: Empty the oceans and pile the water on land, then drain back into oceans
No. I asked for evidence that there were no continents. And that would be at a time when there were people on earth.

I never say that is possible. I am talking about geology, not about anything in the Bible.

In fact, God makes the earth on Day 2, but make people on Day 6. You do have a good logic sense.

The concept of time implied in the story of Noah's Flood is simply amazing. Do you believe Noah was 600 years old when the Flood took place? So, before you accept the possibility of the global flood, it is very hard for you also get tangled by the time scale. It is strongly advised that you separated these two main issues apart. I won't put them together in any argument with non-Christian. If you like to talk about the concept of time in Noah's Flood, make another thread. Then, we will NOT try to talk about the Flood.


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Message 405 of 410 (880299)
08-01-2020 9:06 AM
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07-31-2020 4:04 PM


Re: Empty the oceans and pile the water on land, then drain back into oceans
Juvenissun writes:

I am talking about geology, not about anything in the Bible.


This topic is about the Bible Flood, so you can drop any argument that is not about the Bible Flood.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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