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Author Topic:   Occupy Wall Street, London and Evereywhere Else
Phat
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Message 67 of 208 (643333)
12-06-2011 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by onifre
12-06-2011 9:52 AM


Earth and its Occupants
Onifre writes:
Here's a great video by Ted Alexandro, a comic, that really shows the true nature of the protest.
Thanks for sharing...I ended up watching more of Teds videos as well. He seems to be a man in touch with his humanity. My take on all of this (OCCUPY) is that many people do not yet know exactly what the issues are and what the problems and challenges are that face this country and we citizens of an undeniable global community.
Its easy to say to pull your money out of Chase and Bank Of America, but just like the questions in Jons Consumerism thread, what would we replace our free market system with? People are frustrated, yes. What sort of long term solutions and reforms should we be thinking about?

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Phat
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Message 90 of 208 (643416)
12-06-2011 6:26 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by New Cat's Eye
12-06-2011 1:24 PM


Cracked Nest Egg
CS writes:
But couldn't you just let those banks fail, and then we people weren't getting their money from their accounts, then you just bail out those people? Isn't that kinda what the whole FDIC thing is?
FDIC insurance does not cover trust accounts nor many other types of securities. My families entire nest egg...retirement future...everything!
...Is at Wells Fargo and if anyone had let Wells Fargo fail and we lost everything, I'd be out there with a gun aiming at the politicians responsible!
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Phat
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Message 155 of 208 (643794)
12-11-2011 8:46 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by crashfrog
12-11-2011 4:22 PM


Young and Educated versus Old and Entitled
I maintain that one of the current problems with the capitalist system is that it has run out of third world people to exploit and is in fact exploiting and feeding off of its own. Corporations are in a sense a type of one world government. The top level employees come from different countries and unite to manage a corporation that utilizes global labor with no thought whatsoever to the national origin. The U.S. Middle class is being hollowed out. It is a victim of global competition.
In Buzsaws time, the United States was still on top as a nation, and anyone who worked hard could get ahead. Unions were also strong in that era. Now, it seems from our conversation that the old are being resented by the young and the young misunderstood by the old. As an older(52) union worker, I resent the fact that younger people are trying to do my job and willingly accepting less in order to do so. Buz may also feel that these educated OWS young people need to do as he and his sons did. What is not realized, however, is that the rules have changed as has the environment.
I'm not sure what the exact solution is...jar suggests a consensus on a 50 year plan to fix the broken system, which involves working harder (for less) while everything is being paid off.
That is too depressing to consider. Nobody wants to be exploited. Not we older folks who feel we have paid into the system and worked hard...nor you younger folks who feel that with a college education you have earned a shot at success.One solution is to unionize the competition. Another solution is to have protectionism so that global labor wont out-compete the US middle class. These are not gonna work, however. I hate to sound negative, but this all depresses me.
crashfrog,to Buzsaw writes:
You failed to plan for your future so now you live off my my taxes.
Higher taxes are a foregone necessity. I too will have to endure higher taxes. I am not sure what the solution is for any of this.

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