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Author Topic:   Occupy Wall Street, London and Evereywhere Else
Jazzns
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Message 17 of 208 (642929)
12-02-2011 5:10 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by onifre
12-02-2011 3:41 PM


Obama Supporters?
Plus, the irony of pro-Obama supporters protesting the bankers Obama bailed out.
I think you will find that most of the hardcore OWSers are pretty critical of Obama. They are probably the ones responsible for his disapproval rating from the left. The reason it is OWS and not ODC is exactly because they feel betrayed by the administration and rightly so.
When you ask them what they want to do politically you might as well have passed gas the way they cringe about the situation. They don't want to be in the tank for a candidate. Thats the problem with what happend in 2008. Obama's supporters didn't just go away, they just realize that they should have been backing a set of principles instead of a PERSON.

BUT if objects for gratitude and admiration are our desire, do they not present themselves every hour to our eyes? Do we not see a fair creation prepared to receive us the instant we are born --a world furnished to our hands, that cost us nothing? Is it we that light up the sun; that pour down the rain; and fill the earth with abundance? Whether we sleep or wake, the vast machinery of the universe still goes on. Are these things, and the blessings they indicate in future, nothing to, us? Can our gross feelings be excited by no other subjects than tragedy and suicide? Or is the gloomy pride of man become so intolerable, that nothing can flatter it but a sacrifice of the Creator? --Thomas Paine

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Jazzns
Member (Idle past 3939 days)
Posts: 2657
From: A Better America
Joined: 07-23-2004


Message 29 of 208 (642996)
12-03-2011 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by onifre
12-03-2011 1:59 PM


Re: Obama Supporters?
I accept that they're critical of Obama, but I also feel that they will vote for Obama again. No chance these left leaning OWS'ers will vote republican.
Which to me seems insane, to protest a bail out given by a president that they'll vote in again.
Two of the primary things they are protesting are wealth inequality and the corporate influence in politics. How right is it to complain that they wont give Republicans a chance when that would lead to an exasperation of the problems they are protesting about? They haven't stopped being liberal.
You also should remember that while Obama voted for the bail out, he did so in the oft lauded spirit of "bipartisanship". Note also that because he was able to VOTE for it that he did so as a senator under president Bush.
Yes the OWSers are liberal and probably many voted for Obama. Many will likely hold their noses and do it again just like those on the right are going to do for Gingrich or Romney. Democracies don't generate perfect solutions and it is unfair to say that they are being inconsistent in their protest.
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BUT if objects for gratitude and admiration are our desire, do they not present themselves every hour to our eyes? Do we not see a fair creation prepared to receive us the instant we are born --a world furnished to our hands, that cost us nothing? Is it we that light up the sun; that pour down the rain; and fill the earth with abundance? Whether we sleep or wake, the vast machinery of the universe still goes on. Are these things, and the blessings they indicate in future, nothing to, us? Can our gross feelings be excited by no other subjects than tragedy and suicide? Or is the gloomy pride of man become so intolerable, that nothing can flatter it but a sacrifice of the Creator? --Thomas Paine

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Jazzns
Member (Idle past 3939 days)
Posts: 2657
From: A Better America
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Message 38 of 208 (643028)
12-03-2011 11:13 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by onifre
12-03-2011 9:36 PM


Re: Obama Supporters?
Ron Paul
The point is that it is not about a person. Its not about Obama, Ron Paul, anyone. Its about corporate influence in our politics.
Not even a president Ron Paul would have unilateral authority to rewrite campaign finance law.
Electing the right person to one office doesn't fix problems. Fixing the way we do the electing will.

BUT if objects for gratitude and admiration are our desire, do they not present themselves every hour to our eyes? Do we not see a fair creation prepared to receive us the instant we are born --a world furnished to our hands, that cost us nothing? Is it we that light up the sun; that pour down the rain; and fill the earth with abundance? Whether we sleep or wake, the vast machinery of the universe still goes on. Are these things, and the blessings they indicate in future, nothing to, us? Can our gross feelings be excited by no other subjects than tragedy and suicide? Or is the gloomy pride of man become so intolerable, that nothing can flatter it but a sacrifice of the Creator? --Thomas Paine

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Jazzns
Member (Idle past 3939 days)
Posts: 2657
From: A Better America
Joined: 07-23-2004


Message 112 of 208 (643577)
12-09-2011 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 110 by crashfrog
12-08-2011 1:13 PM


Crash for congress?
The question is how we, and our parents, let it stop being true.
POTM dude. Where the hell do we get this idiotic notion that every man for himself is some kind of noble sentiment?
Oh yea, Ayn Rand....
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BUT if objects for gratitude and admiration are our desire, do they not present themselves every hour to our eyes? Do we not see a fair creation prepared to receive us the instant we are born --a world furnished to our hands, that cost us nothing? Is it we that light up the sun; that pour down the rain; and fill the earth with abundance? Whether we sleep or wake, the vast machinery of the universe still goes on. Are these things, and the blessings they indicate in future, nothing to, us? Can our gross feelings be excited by no other subjects than tragedy and suicide? Or is the gloomy pride of man become so intolerable, that nothing can flatter it but a sacrifice of the Creator? --Thomas Paine

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