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Message 27 of 404 (643721)
12-11-2011 12:20 AM 		Reply to: Message 26 by designtheorist
12-11-2011 12:17 AM

Re: Is the total net energy in the universe zero?
Regarding the website you linked, I believe the argument has a fatal flaw. The author writes:
"We can eliminate m from both terms (since it is a hypothetical particle anyway)..."

Do you understand math? Basic algebra?
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12-11-2011 12:23 AM 		Reply to: Message 28 by designtheorist
12-11-2011 12:22 AM

Re: Is the total net energy in the universe zero?
take a look at the equations posted on the website and you'll see why m can be dropped out.
God separated the races and attempting to mix them is like attempting to mix water with diesel fuel.- Buzsaw Message 177

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
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Message 50 of 404 (643760)
12-11-2011 12:59 PM 		Reply to: Message 45 by designtheorist
12-11-2011 12:23 PM

Re: Reply to PaulK #44
E does not equal mc 2. Instead, E = c 2.

And this is why I questioned your understanding of basic algebra.

1.postive energy can be calculated from E=mc2
2.E=mc2 can be written as E/m=c2

3. Negative energy can be calculated from E=m Mu G / R u
4. which can then be written as E/m=Mu G / R u

5. because m is the same value in both equations we can run the numbers and see if Ep/m is indeed equal to En/m

God separated the races and attempting to mix them is like attempting to mix water with diesel fuel.- Buzsaw Message 177

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Message 52 of 404 (643762)
12-11-2011 1:12 PM 		Reply to: Message 51 by designtheorist
12-11-2011 1:03 PM

Re: Reply to PaulK #44
He is saying velocity of the speed of light squared equals all of the positive energy of the universe. This is untrue.

Again, no he's not. Please learn some basic algebra. What he is saying is:

Ep/m=c2

God separated the races and attempting to mix them is like attempting to mix water with diesel fuel.- Buzsaw Message 177

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Message 103 of 404 (643893)
12-12-2011 3:57 PM 		Reply to: Message 100 by designtheorist
12-12-2011 3:35 PM

Re: This ain't about the physics
You might be interested to study the contributions of amateur scientists in the history of science.

amateur scientists are one thing, having the ignorance and arrogance to claim:
The physics, when rightly understood, do not allow the poor arguments poor forward by the atheists

after having been corrected on a matter of basic algebra is another.

God separated the races and attempting to mix them is like attempting to mix water with diesel fuel.- Buzsaw Message 177

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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