How can you talk about the rest of the solar system without considering the sun, since it controls everything about the solar system?
Well, without considering the sun, we can talk about whether or not Iron Man 3 was as good as the box office numbers suggested.
Or we could talk about the thing you, yourself, brought up: how much energy it takes to strip away one electron
each grain of salt in a teaspoon.
See, there's plenty of things.
Rather than get into it, I'll just assume you were hyperbolizing when you said that it controls everything
about the solar system.
It makes more sense than you ever realize, or do realize and want to willfully ignore, and that's a diversion tactic when one has no answer, or knows the answer and doesn't want to say.
Well I'm not dishonest, but I may be ignorant; just what the fuck are you talking about?
The entire sun is plasma, so how could one ever discuss the sun or solar system without knowing what a plasma was and how it behaved?
Um, people were discussing both the sun and the solar system long before plasma was ever mentioned, so I don't understand how you can be asking this.
So just why again is knowing about plasma NOT important in ALL of astrophysics???
Again? I never saw that claimed the first time.
You talk like plasma is just another state of matter.
You talk as if you believe plasma is nothing more than matter with its electrons stripped away, a hot gas.
Which parts, specifically, gave you these impressions?
I'll have you know that I knew that plasma was ionized
gas without having to look it up. And that's part of the problem of saying that the universe is 99% plasma. If two ions of the same gas are fairly far apart, you could say the entire space between them was plasma, but that doesn't paint the right picture for the rest of space (as apposed to most of it), particularly interstellar and intergalactic regions. If you got a low density spot of ionized gas floating around, that counts as a plasma, but it ain't the sun.
But that isn't your fault, it's because you have been lied to for over 100 years.
Cute. Early 20's, right?*
Holy shit I just looked at your profile and it says you were born in 1962!
Well then you, old man, can cut the asshole bullshit. Okay?
Shall we bring up the ridiculous idea against plasma because it would take more energy than exists in the universe to strip away one electron in each grain of salt in a teaspoon? That's pretty convincing, those who never consider it sure swallowed that.
I'm feeling some ridicule here, but it doesn't make much sense, do you not understand the energy associated with an ionic bond, or something? You know what, that doesn't really have anything to do with this so let's just drop it.
So we will now assume that the Big Bang is entirely correct. What was the first state of all matter according to your very own theory?
According to theory, the whole universe consisted of quark-gluon plasma in the first split seconds after the Big Bang.
Only after it began to cool did atomic binding begin and gas to liquid to solids began to condense. It is THE fundamental state of all matter, not just one of them as they try to tell you.
What "they" tried to tell us, was that plasma is just another state from the persective here on Earth. We really only see it in lamps n'stuff, maybe occasionally in the microwave on accident.
The states of matter lessons in early chemistry was not from the perspective of astrophysics.
Plasma in space is not separated from matter, it is already charge separated from the beginning and the electric currents and magnetic fields condense and separate like charges which help atomic structures to form.
Sure, the low density plasmas that are floating around in intergalactic spaces are remnants from the Big Bang. We know this. Its a bit complicated to bring it up in early chemistry classes, dontcha think?
. There is no gravitational theory of the atom, only electrical.
I'm not familiar with the "gravitational theory of the atom".
No charge separation was or ever has been required. It isn't how much energy it takes to separate a molecular bond that is important, but how much energy it takes to form those bonds that is.
Huh? Some bonds form spontaneously; I can let salt water sit out and evaporate and the sodium and chloride ions will automatically bond into salt molecules. I don't think I'm getting the point here.
Granted, it's not your fault that they told you plasma is just another common form of matter and can't be abundant because it would take too much energy,
It takes a bit of energy here on Earth
to make plasmas (which is why you have to plug in the lamp), I'm not sure where all this misinformation you're talking about is coming from.
ALL other forms of matter came from this initial form of matter, plasma, and still does. It is THE most important thing in astronomy!
I'm sure the professional astronomers understand it better than we do. They're not idiots.
And just so you know I am neither Electric Universe, Nor Plasma Universe, nor Relativity Universe believer.
I don't know what any of those things are and at this point I'm not looking them up.
They all got something right, and they all got something wrong. Believe what you want, I do, but at least don't let them tell you what to believe without looking at it all. Because sometimes what they are telling you is, isn't.
Awe geez, is this some kind of conspiracy, or something?
They KNOW plasma is 99% of the universe. They KNOW plasma is only plasma because of it's electrical and magnetic properties. Properties that do not require you to keep your coffee pot lower than the electric outlet. Well known properties KNOWN and ignored for 100 years.http://electric-cosmos.org/indexOLD.htm
Ha! After realizing that you weren't some fresh outta college kid who was dealing with some newly understood layman's cosmology, I was gonna ask you if you, the old man you, had gotten your hands on some new crazy book or something? I should have known that it was a website
From that site:
There is a revolution just beginning in astronomy/cosmology that will rival the one set off by Copernicus and Galileo. This revolution is based on the growing realization that the cosmos is highly electrical in nature. It is becoming clear that 99% of the universe is made up not of "invisible matter", but rather, of matter in the plasma state. Electrodynamic forces in electric plasmas are much stronger than the gravitational force.
Holy shit it IS
Look, you've been bamboozeled. That whole 99% plamsa thing isn't as big a deal as they're making it. Astrophysicists are neither ingnorant of nor conspiring to hide this information. It just doesn't have the ramifications that you've been lead on to believe.
*I had guessed this earlier in another post, Message 31
What are you, in your early 20's? You've read and understood some layman's explanations of cosmological science, and you've gotten all cocky and think you know something? And now you're gonna come here and learn us all about what you know?
Added by edit:
Panda's right, you never answered my question (and I do think it exposes an important point):
How much of the solar system is the sun?
Would you agree that more than 99% of the solar system is the sun?
Edited by Catholic Scientist, : see added by edit