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justatruthseeker
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Message 271 of 404 (698527)
05-07-2013 8:50 PM
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05-07-2013 8:37 PM


99.99% and all of it plasma. How much is matter, well Jupiter makes up about .009% of the rest, so this earth is a <.001% of the rest, and its normal matter you base your entire theory on.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 272 of 404 (698528)
05-07-2013 9:00 PM
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05-07-2013 8:50 PM


Sorry justatruthseeker, I thought that was a response to my last post. I've hidden the message as a retraction.

99.99% and all of it plasma. How much is matter, well Jupiter makes up about .009% of the rest, so this earth is a <.001% of the rest, and its normal matter you base your entire theory on.

Dude. OMG. You can't be this dense. Are you fucking with me?

How does 'whether or not Iron Man 3 was as good as the box office numbers suggested' have anything to do with the fact that "99.99% and all of it plasma"?

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Panda
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Message 273 of 404 (698529)
05-07-2013 9:01 PM
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05-07-2013 8:50 PM


justatruthseeker writes:

Panda writes:

how much of the solar system is the sun?

99.99%

The sun is only about 1.4 million km in diameter and the solar system is more than 4.5 billion km in diameter.
So, your 99.99% figure looks to be completely wrong.

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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justatruthseeker
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Message 274 of 404 (698530)
05-07-2013 9:13 PM
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05-07-2013 8:47 PM


Every single remark was answered, go read what plasma is, all your questions will resolve themselves.

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justatruthseeker
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Message 275 of 404 (698532)
05-07-2013 9:16 PM
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05-07-2013 9:01 PM


It's not my 99% figure, it's yours.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_System

quote:
The principal component of the Solar System is the Sun, a G2 main-sequence star that contains 99.86% of the system's known mass and dominates it gravitationally.[13] The Sun's four largest orbiting bodies, the gas giants, account for 99% of the remaining mass, with Jupiter and Saturn together comprising more than 90%

Although I do apologize for misleading you by .13% of the actual figure, since I did say 99.99%

Must of forgot Pluto since I'm not sure if it's a planet now or not, or just a big ball of rock. They havn't decided, but I think it's not looking good for poor Pluto.

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Panda
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Message 276 of 404 (698533)
05-07-2013 9:19 PM
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05-07-2013 9:16 PM


justatruthseeker writes:

Although I do apologize for misleading you by .13% of the actual figure, since I did say 99.99%


I wasn't asking about mass.
Try again: how much of the solar system is the sun?

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justatruthseeker
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Message 277 of 404 (698536)
05-07-2013 9:30 PM
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05-07-2013 9:19 PM


Do you mean how much of the Galaxy is the sun? or the Universe? Because the sun is 99.86% of the Solar System. And about the same ratio as the earth is to the sun for the galaxy, which is 99.86% plasma! And the galaxy is about the same ratio as the Universe, which is 99.86% plasma, such a nice coincident that 99.86% plasma is everywhere.

If the sun is a ball of plasma, what do you think all the stars in the galaxy are? And since stars form from the stuff of galaxies, what do you think galaxies are made of???

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Message 278 of 404 (698537)
05-07-2013 9:49 PM
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05-07-2013 9:30 PM


Do you mean how much of the Galaxy is the sun? or the Universe? Because the sun is 99.86% of the Solar System. And about the same ratio as the earth is to the sun for the galaxy, which is 99.86% plasma! And the galaxy is about the same ratio as the Universe, which is 99.86% plasma

This is all fine, but this isn't really getting to the meat of the matter is it? In order for the plasma in the sun to have an electric effect on the solar system, then for things more than several diameters away, it would be important for the sun to have a net charge. Does it? Instead what we see is the solar system acting exactly as if the sun were affecting the motion of all of the other planets by warping space time to produce gravity effects.

Yes, we can agree that the orbit of planets is largely determined by the plasma of the sun. But that's a far cry from any proof that the effect under question is not simply the mass of the plasma rather than being charge related.


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Panda
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Message 279 of 404 (698538)
05-07-2013 10:00 PM
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05-07-2013 9:30 PM


justatruthseeker writes:

Do you mean how much of the Galaxy is the sun? or the Universe?


Well, you could always look at the question to find out.

justatruthseeker writes:

Because the sun is 99.86% of the Solar System.


No it isn't.
That figure is referring to its mass.
I was not asking about mass.

Try again: how much of the solar system is the sun?


"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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NoNukes
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Message 280 of 404 (698541)
05-07-2013 10:19 PM
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05-07-2013 3:17 PM


Until you can answer those two questions, any debate about the universe is pointless, unless your theory calls for the laws of physics to suddenly change and work differently outside the solar system, why wouldn't plasma everywhere behave the same?

Nonsense. essentially none of the earth is plasma nor is the earth significantly charged. Accordingly, it's motion in the solar system is determined almost entirely by the mass in the system without even considering the form that mass takes.

Speaking of which, how are charged particles accelerated? There is only one known way, so we will soon see just how honest you are.

How honest I am? Perhaps we'll learn how foolish you are instead. You could not possibly have thought this through.

There is, of course more than one way to accelerate charged particles. Yes, such particles do accelerate under the influence of magnetic and electrical forces, and we can lump those two things together as one 'way. But charged particles also have mass, and thus are subject to gravitational forces. Charged nucleons (protons) and uncharged nucleons are also subject to the strong nuclear force at close distances. We can also accelerate charged particles by smacking them with other particles, charged or uncharged.

One might well ask what forces of nature are incapable of accelerating a charged particle.

Are you going to answer my question regarding the lack of evidence that nuclear fusion occurs in the sun?

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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 281 of 404 (698543)
05-07-2013 11:25 PM
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05-07-2013 9:13 PM


Every single remark was answered, go read what plasma is, all your questions will resolve themselves.

Okay, I have. I was right and you remain proven wrong until you address the rebuttals that I've provided.


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NoNukes
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Message 282 of 404 (698548)
05-08-2013 1:25 AM
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05-07-2013 6:56 PM


But that isn't your fault, it's because you have been lied to for over 100 years.

I sure wish I'd read this crap before I bothered responding to you. Besides the fact that I'm way less than 100 years old so no one has been lying to me for that long, I should know better than to indulge 'physics is all wrong' proponents, affectionately known as (aka) cranks.

Shall we bring up the ridiculous idea against plasma because it would take more energy than exists in the universe to strip away one electron in each grain of salt in a teaspoon?

Electrostatic forces are strong, yes, but let's note that performing your feat requires separating negative charge from positive charge. I don't know if your claim is correct; it sounds quite dubious. But the claim sure is meaningless in advancing your proposal.

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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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Message 283 of 404 (698551)
05-08-2013 1:53 AM


The loon is not addressing the topic.

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Message 284 of 404 (698556)
05-08-2013 3:00 AM
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05-08-2013 1:53 AM


The loon is not addressing the topic.

I believe the statement below is an attempt to be on topic.

So, we see that direct measurements whenever and wherever they are taken, show electrical currents everywhere we have looked or gone. Yet I am to believe that space is electrically neutral and overall sums to 0? Apparently they have not been reading their own papers

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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justatruthseeker
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Message 285 of 404 (698611)
05-08-2013 12:36 PM
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05-08-2013 3:00 AM


It's been on topic from the start, had you even bother to read what plasma is you would realize it is an electrified medium. Since electric currents exist everywhere, including your brain (although some could argue that and I wouldn't have a defense in your case) it is impossible for the universe to be electrically neutral. Especially if we consider that there is NO gravitational model for the atom, only electrical. So what holds atoms together and by extension you if no electricity is allowed?

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