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Author Topic:   Evidence to expect given a designer
nwr
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Message 12 of 373 (644167)
12-15-2011 8:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by mike the wiz
12-05-2011 3:24 PM


mike the wiz writes:
If we propose intelligent design, we have to ask what we should expect to see.

Here's what I would expect to see:
  • when I look around in a field of natural growth, I would expect to see the plants neatly arranged in rows, much like they are in an orchard;
  • I would expect to see animals as mechanical artifacts of the designer, with no free will, all doing precisely what they were designed to do;
  • I would expect to see uniformly consistent weather patterns, about the same amount of rain each year - none of this alternation of periods of drought with periods of flooding.

I could go on. But I think you get the point. A designed world should be a very different place from the disorderly and haphazard world that we actually see.


Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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nwr
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Message 48 of 373 (644380)
12-17-2011 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by Chuck77
12-17-2011 7:28 AM


Chuck77 writes:
Design leaves fingerprints.

Yes, it does. But I cannot find any of those finger prints in nature, and that makes ID a very dubious thesis.

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Message 75 of 373 (644603)
12-19-2011 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by Just being real
12-19-2011 11:28 AM


Just being real writes:
No I just implied that even a child on its own plane operating within its limited and undeveloped level of knowledge and understanding could distinguish between something with characteristics of specificity and something just functioning under natural unguided processes and laws.

Yes, you are right.

Remembering back to when I was a child, I could easily distinguish between designed things and natural things. Clocks, radios, furniture, houses - they were all designed things. Plants, animals, insects - they were all natural things.

Isn't it strange that what is so obvious to a child becomes non-obvious to people who grow up to be theists?


Christianity claims the moral high ground it its rhetoric. It has long since abandoned the moral high ground in its practices

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