So I vote to keep this EvC obituary open in the defense of free expression, allowing the religious and secular thinkers alike to continue their ongoing tirade against each other, in this topic at least...in honor of a man of expression and literary skill, dying with his beliefs intact.
Little noticed in this twisted excuse for a thread but the most fitting tribute of them all. Thanks, Phat.
quote:We keep on being told that religion, whatever its imperfections, at least instills morality. On every side, there is conclusive evidence that the contrary is the case and that faith causes people to be more mean, more selfish, and perhaps above all, more stupid.
There is significant good in religion. Soup kitchens, etc.
In a cost benefit analysis with the human spirit/capability in the balance as I would perceive one, religion has been and continues to be a yoke around the minds of huge numbers of our people.
You have given me an opportunity to expound a bit and I am much obliged.
How many wars? And of those how many may not have been for religious reasons but were presented as such to a believing populous? Lots. And we all know them. Worldwide.
My speculation is that without religion such wars MAY have been seen for what they were. That would seem more difficult to succeed at with a more aware population unafraid (to the depths of their condemned souls) of critical thinking.
Religion was the hammer used to crush the human spirit to such an extent that they could gather their religious zealots into massive armies to go out and kill in massive numbers breaching no challenge to some godâ€™s will as determined by them, the elite, the Tabernacle, the Temple, the structures behind the strong manâ€™s will.
This continues today. We know this. We see it ... now that we are mentally free to both notice and object.
And then there is religionâ€™s stifling of scientific inquiry setting where human knowledge could have been back by 500 years+- (your mileage may vary). Kudos to the Arabs for such a fruitful science culture until Islam slammed the door on their Golden Age in the 1100â€™s. After the ancient Greek culture of freely mixing philosophy, art, mysticism and science, the Europeans never allowed a science culture until the Enlightenment in the late 1600â€™s when the straightjacket of the church over society and over thought began to crumble.
But on the other side of the ledger religions today do comfort some needing a crutch to deal with reality and they have some nice useful charities so there is that, isnâ€™t there.
History may move one to view these good things in religion as insignificant against the full body of religionâ€™s effect on the human species. So insignificant as to be considered non-existent in the comparison. Bad math? No.
Non-existent? For the pedantic, no, but as a literary device it sure gets the point across rather well.